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    Ex-Hawaii official denounces 'ludicrous' birther claims

    Ex-Hawaii official denounces 'ludicrous' birther claims

    By Michael Isikoff National investigative correspondent
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    updated 4/10/2011 2:15:11 PM ET

    The Hawaiian state health official who personally reviewed Barack Obama's original birth certificate has affirmed again that the document is "real" and denounced "conspiracy theorists" in the so-called "birther" movement for continuing to spread bogus claims about the issue.

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    "It’s kind of ludicrous at this point," Dr. Chiyome Fukino, the former director of Hawaii's Department of Health, said in a rare telephone interview with NBC.

    Fukino, sounding both exasperated and amused, spoke to a reporter in the aftermath of Donald Trump's statements on the NBC Today show last week questioning whether Obama has a legitimate birth certificate.

    Trump, who says he is considering a run for president, repeated his claims on CNN's "State of the Union" Sunday, saying that "nobody has any information" about the president's birth and that "if he wasn't born in this country, he shouldn't be president of the United States."

    No matter what state officials release on the issue, the "birthers" are going to question it, said Fukino. "They’re going to question the ink on which it was written or say it was fabricated," said Fukino. "The whole thing is silly."
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    As the top Hawaiian official in charge of state health records in 2008, when the issue of Obama's birth first arose, Fukino said she thought she had put the matter to rest. Contacted by NBC, Fukino expanded on previous public statements and made two key points when asked about Trump's recent comments.

    The first is that the original so-called "long form" birth certificate — described by Hawaiian officials as a "record of live birth" — absolutely exists, located in a bound volume in a file cabinet on the first floor of the state Department of Health. Fukimo said she has personally inspected it — twice. The first time was in late October 2008, during the closing days of the presidential campaign, when the communications director for the state's then Republican governor, Linda Lingle (who appointed Fukino) asked if she could make a public statement in response to claims then circulating on the Internet that Obama was actually born in Kenya.

    Before she would do so, Fukino said, she wanted to inspect the files — and did so, taking with her the state official in charge of vital records. She found the original birth record, properly numbered, half typed and half handwritten, and signed by the doctor who delivered Obama, located in the files. She then put out a public statement asserting to the document's validity. She later put out another public statement in July 2009 — after reviewing the original birth record a second time.
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    "It is real, and no amount of saying it is not, is going to change that," Fukino said. Moreover, she added, her boss at the time, Lingle — who was backing John McCain for president — would presumably have to be in on any cover up since Fukino made her public comment at the governor's office's request. "Why would a Republican governor — who was stumping for the other guy — hold out on a big secret?" she asked.

    Her second point — one she made repeatedly in the interview — is that the shorter, computer generated "certification of live birth" that was obtained by the Obama campaign in 2007 and has since been publicly released is the standard document that anybody requesting their birth certificate from the state of Hawaii would receive from the health department.

    The document was distributed to the Obama campaign in 2007 after Obama, at the request of a campaign official, personally signed a Hawaii birth certificate request form downloaded on the Internet, according to a former campaign official who asked for anonymity. (Obama was "testy" when asked to sign the form but did so anyway to put the issue to rest, the former campaign official said. The White House has dismissed all questions about the president's birth as "fictional nonsense.")

    The certification that the campaign received back —which shows that Obama was born in Honolulu at 7:24 p.m. on Aug. 4, 1961 — was based on the content of the original document in state files, Fukino said.

    "What he got, everybody got," said Fukino. "He put out exactly what everybody gets when they ask for a birth certificate."

    Hawaiian officials say that the certification is, in fact, only one piece of abundant evidence of Obama's birth in Hawaii. Joshua Wisch, a spokesman for the Hawaii attorney general's office, noted that a public index of vital records, available for inspection in a bound volume at the Health Department's Office of Health Status Monitoring, lists a male child named "Obama II, Barack Hussein" as having been born in the state.

    In addition, as Factcheck.org and other media organizations have repeatedly pointed out, both of Honolulu's newspapers, the Honolulu Advertiser on Aug. 13, 1961, and the Honolulu Star Bulletin, on Aug. 14, 1961, both ran birth announcements listing Obama's birth on Aug. 4 of that year.

    Even Fukino accepts that her comments are not likely to end the matter for the die-hard birthers. Trump and other skeptics have questioned why the original birth certificate has not been released.

    But Wisch, the spokesman for the attorney general's office, said state law does not in fact permit the release of "vital records," including an original "record of live birth" — even to the individual whose birth it records.

    "It's a Department of Health record and it can't be released to anybody," he said. Nor do state laws have any provision that authorizes such records to be photocopied, Wisch said. If Obama wanted to personally visit the state health department, he would be permitted to inspect his birth record, Wisch said.

    But if he or anybody else wanted a copy of their birth records, they would be told to fill out the appropriate state form and receive back the same computer generated "certification of live birth" form that everybody else gets — which is exactly what Obama did four years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dixie
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    Yeah.. Steve Martin got paid quite a lot when he claimed. " I was Born
    A Poor Black Child." He fooled me.

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    I couldn't care less where he was born, the fact is, and he admits it, he was not born to two us citizen parents therefor he is not natural born. He may or may not be native born, but that is not the requirement, natural born is the standard for president
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    Quote Originally Posted by cayla99
    I couldn't care less where he was born, the fact is, and he admits it, he was not born to two us citizen parents therefor he is not natural born. He may or may not be native born, but that is not the requirement, natural born is the standard for president
    Spot on Cayla. One day, maybe sooner than we imagine, the truth will finally be aired...but, it won't be by Obama. Those of us that have been involved or following this story since day one know the truth. It's out there for anyone to see. The truth was spoken and written by nobama himself.
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    cayla99 wrote,
    I couldn't care less where he was born, the fact is, and he admits it, he was not born to two us citizen parents therefor he is not natural born. He may or may not be native born, but that is not the requirement, natural born is the standard for president
    Yup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cayla99
    I couldn't care less where he was born, the fact is, and he admits it, he was not born to two us citizen parents therefor he is not natural born. He may or may not be native born, but that is not the requirement, natural born is the standard for president
    Sorry, but there is no legal requirement for "A Natural Born Citizen" to have 2 parents who are citizens.


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    Section 1 of Article Two of the United States Constitution sets forth the eligibility requirements for serving as President of the United States:

    “No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
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    "It's a Department of Health record and it can't be released to anybody," he said. Nor do state laws have any provision that authorizes such records to be photocopied, Wisch said. If Obama wanted to personally visit the state health department, he would be permitted to inspect his birth record, Wisch said.
    This is blatantly false. I have had to get a certified copy of my long form birth certificate and it was no problem. This is just another excuse to keep from showing proof that Obama was actually born here. As for the certificate of live birth on the internet, that's a big joke. If you notice, it has no doctor's signature and no hospital listed. And if you look at the type they used, it looks like Arial and I doubt they even had that in the 1960's. I notice no one has been invited to go take a look at the so called "original" other than a couple of officials who could be bought off. Something smells about this entire issue and it's making Trump's nose twitch. What makes mine twitch is that Obama won't show any of his other records, either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tinybobidaho
    "It's a Department of Health record and it can't be released to anybody," he said. Nor do state laws have any provision that authorizes such records to be photocopied, Wisch said. If Obama wanted to personally visit the state health department, he would be permitted to inspect his birth record, Wisch said.
    This is blatantly false. I have had to get a certified copy of my long form birth certificate and it was no problem. This is just another excuse to keep from showing proof that Obama was actually born here. As for the certificate of live birth on the internet, that's a big joke. If you notice, it has no doctor's signature and no hospital listed. And if you look at the type they used, it looks like Arial and I doubt they even had that in the 1960's. I notice no one has been invited to go take a look at the so called "original" other than a couple of officials who could be bought off. Something smells about this entire issue and it's making Trump's nose twitch. What makes mine twitch is that Obama won't show any of his other records, either.
    Nor do state laws have any provision that authorizes such records to be photocopied, is talking about Hawaii state laws, not any other state's laws.
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