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    The elites are doing everything in their power to bankrupt America and its citizens. "We the people" are paying the price of our freedoms.
    What Freedom? Freedom to be suckers and get our liberties and property stolen from us, nobody asked, nobody voted, they just took it like they have taken everything else, this is not a free country anymore!

    We the people are being peigon holed into taking slave labor jobs, which support the slave drivers and the ones hiring the illegals along with the illegals themselves, no job, no loan unless your company is very successful and during these times thats going to be hard to accomplish.

    So if your a small businessman and need to buy a home or re-finance, even with excellent credit, you'll be deemed too risky for a loan even if you've made all your payments on time for the last 6 years, unless your an illegal or minority you are going to need a large cash down payment to get a loan right now. Especially if your a white American male.

    What good is the credit rating system if they aren't going to use it as it was intended to be used, which is each persons credit rating stands on its own, that is the whole reason for a credit score. Now, All the little people have been lumped into together as if we're all dead beat no pays. What a crock!

    Furthermore, I was listening to Clark Howard and all these people were calling in on his SPECIAL RADIO SHOW to help people out during the confusion. People were calling in with questions.

    One lady called in and said all her retirement funds and ect were with AIG and ect. Now, if you knew a company was sinking would you just leave it in there until it is all gone under, or would you start pulling it out?

    People act like they can do nothing but the truth is, its their responsibility to manage their funds, whether they do it personaly or through they're broker. I've heard all day p[eople talk like they can't do anything about they're money, whining like little dependent suckers.

    My advice is, check your funds, stocks, money or whatever, do your research and then take action, don't whine when your money disappears while you sat and watched it all over the freaking news. This just shows you how dumbed down people are nowdays, if I had money in AIG it would have been pulled 4 days ago, why people sit around and watch their futures disappear is a mystery to me. This is the exact reason we have illegal immigration, we have a bunch of lazy ass whiners that want to sit there and watch it happen and do NOTHING BUT ACT LIKE VICTIMS when they could get off their lazy ass and stop illegal immigration just like they could remove their money from AIG, that is until there is no more to get, the first to take out are more likely to get theirs out, the longer they wait, the less likely the chances they will get all their money out. the sooner the better, and this GOVERNMENT LOAN is basicly a stall tactic so that all the richer people that will take action and not sit around and whine about their money will remove they're money, the ones that wait will lose massively.

    If AIG can't make it now, how are they going to make with more debt on them from the government loan, they will go under very soon, just as soon as all the big players yank their assets, just like J.P Morgan is going under now after they bought out Bear Sterns, its all a stall tactic for the Financial Giants to pull their funds while the 80 year old grandma that isn't keeping up with whats going on loses everything. Are these stock companies calling these grandma's and little people that can't constantly monitor their stocks and telling them they're retirements and pensions are in trouble? I doubt it. But, Like I said, it is ultimately the RESPONSIBILITY of the individual to keep up with they're funds, period!

    I will say this though, I know these companies can make sure the bad news and their troubles don't get out to the public, which is totally wrong. Its called deception and deciving your shareholders, this is totally wrong and should be against the law.

    We are seeing why the monopoly rule should be re-instated.
    All these corporate big wigs and wall street people say, oh, AIG and Freddie and Fannie are just to big to fail. In other words, they are to big too big to manage and too big to exist. If we had 1,000 billion dollar companies instead of 1 big company, then 1 or 2 or even 20 companies going under wouldn't hurt that much, but when the giant falls the ripples are felt all the way across the pond. Another reason why we need to limit the size of , or the share of the market they can own is, it just makes good business sense to spread the risk out and it also spreads the prosperity out as more people will have more jobs which means a stronger economy and a better tax base.
    Unless we get those criminals & make them pay for what they have done to our country and the lawlessness they have sponsored, we are just another Mexico ourselves!

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    Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac execs now offering advice to Obama
    Senator's links to mortgage giants also include campaign contributions

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    Posted: September 17, 2008
    9:10 pm Eastern


    By Jerome R. Corsi
    © 2008 WorldNetDaily



    Fannie Mae headquarters in Washington, D.C.
    Campaign contributions from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac made to Barack Obama may backfire if the Democratic presidential hopeful wages an aggressive campaign to cast blame on rival John McCain and the Republicans in Congress for the mortgage-related losses that forced the U.S. Treasury to take over the quasi-governmental mortgage giants.

    A review of Federal Election Commission records back to 1989 reveals Obama in his three complete years in the Senate is the second largest recipient of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae campaign contributions, behind only Sen. Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., the powerful chairman of the Senate banking committee. Dodd was first elected to the Senate in 1980.

    According to OpenSecrets.com, from 1989 to 2008, Dodd received $165,400 in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac campaign contributions, including contributions from PACs and individuals, followed by Obama, who received $126,349 in such contributions since being elected to the Senate in 2004.

    In contrast, McCain warned of the coming mortgage crisis as he pressed in 2005 for regulatory reform of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

    "For years I have been concerned about the regulatory structure that governs Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac – known as government-sponsored entities or GSEs – and the sheer magnitude of these companies and the role they play in the housing market," McCain said on the floor of the Senate in 2005, speaking in favor of the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005.

    McCain pointed out Fannie Mae's regulator had stated the company's quarterly reports of profit growth over the past few years were "illusions deliberately and systematically created" by the company's senior management, which resulted in a $10.6 billion accounting scandal.

    The bill passed the House but was never brought up for a vote in the Senate, largely because of Democratic opposition to change in the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac regulatory structure that remained in place until the Treasury takeover two weeks ago.

    As evidenced by the failure to pass the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005, the Democrats in Congress have repeatedly fought back Republican Party efforts to reform the two mortgage banking giants.

    Instead, Democrats in Congress have sought to preserve the quasi-governmental status of the mortgage giants, seeing Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac as places to locate former top Democratic Party operatives, where they have earned millions in compensation, despite a continuing series of financial scandals. Enron-like accounting manipulation, for example, boosted earnings to a level at which massive executive bonuses could be paid.

    In the aftermath of the U.S. government takeover, attention has focused on three Democrats with close ties to Obama who served as Fannie Mae executives: Franklin Raines, former Clinton administration budget director; James Johnson, former aide to Democratic Vice President Walter Mondale; and Jamie Gorelick, former Clinton administration deputy attorney general.

    All three Obama-related executives earned millions in compensation from Fannie Mae.

    Johnson earned $21 million in just his last year serving as Fannie Mae CEO from 1991 to 1998; Raines earned $90 million in his five years as Fannie Mae CEO, from 1999 to 2004; and Gorelick earned an estimated $26 million serving as vice chair of Fannie Mae from 1998 to 2003, according to author David Frum, a fellow at the American Enterprise Institute.

    All three have been involved in mortgage-related financial scandals.

    In 1998, according to the Washington Post, Gorelick, as Fannie Mae vice chairman, received a bonus of $779,625, despite a scandal in which employees falsified signatures on accounting transactions to manipulate books to meet 1998 earning targets. The moves, in turn, triggered multi-million-dollar bonuses for top executives.

    Gorelick was embroiled in another controversy over an alleged conflict of interest when a 1995 memo she authored as deputy attorney general surfaced while she was a member of the 9/11 commission.

    The memo, which became known as the "Gorelick Wall," appeared to establish barriers that barred federal anti-terrorist criminal investigators from accessing various federal records and databases that may have assisted them in their criminal investigations.

    According to the Associated Press, Raines and several other Fannie Mae top executives were ordered in a civil lawsuit to pay nearly $31.4 million for manipulating Fannie Mae earnings over a period of six years to trigger their massive bonuses.

    Raines was also forced in the settlement to give up Fannie Mae stock options valued at $15.6 million.

    Last year, the Securities and Exchange Commission alleged Freddie Mac had engaged in accounting fraud from 2000 to 2002, imposing a $50 million fine on the company and on four executives fines for amounts ranging from $65,000 to $250,000.

    Raines currently advises Obama on housing policy.

    Johnson was appointed to head Obama's vice presidential selection committee, until a controversy concerning an alleged $7 millions in questionable real estate loans he received on favorable terms from failed sub-prime mortgage lender Countrywide Financial surfaced and forced him to step down.

    WND previously reported a panel chaired by Elena Kagan, dean and professor of law at Harvard Law School, speculated at the June two-day meeting of the American Constitution Society that Gorelick was a possible attorney general cabinet appointment if Obama should be elected president.

    The decision by the U.S. Treasury to take over Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae could end up costing the U.S. taxpayer as much as $100 billion, although the extent of losses at the two giant mortgage companies remains to be determined.

    According to the Wall Street Journal, Freddie and Fannie own or guarantee about $5.2 trillion worth of mortgages.

    The riskiest loans held by Freddie and Fannie are known as "Alt-A" and sub-prime mortgages, worth about $780 billion, or about 15 percent of the total portfolio.

    The federal government takeover of Freddie and Fannie passes to U.S. taxpayers the contingent liability for failures in the entire $5.2 trillion loan portfolio held by the two mortgage giants.

    Over the past four quarters, Freddie and Fannie have suffered losses of about $14 billion, as the mortgage market has been hit by a wave of defaults and foreclosures not seen in the U.S. since the 1930s.


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