Thread: Government to disarm our Veterans! EXTREME IMPORTANCE!!!

I realize this does not deal with Illegal immigration but this is an extremely important matter. Please read below and read between the lines of what is the hidden "agenda" here.

All of us returning from Iraq know full well that the government is trying to use just about anything to categorize us with PTSD.
This looks as something to disarm all of us from protecting our Country, our property, etc.

I ask all great Americans with ALPAC to understand what is going on with this and contact your elected officials and get this stopped.

Again if I am out of place posting this, I apologize. But my friends here understand how important an issue this can be. I know you good American Citizens will get this word out and help.

GOD BLESS AMERICA!


September 22, 2007
NewsWithViews.com

Hundreds of thousands of veterans -- from Vietnam through Operation Iraqi Freedom -- are at risk of being banned from buying firearms if legislation that is pending in Congress gets enacted.

How? The Veterans Disarmament Act -- which has already passed the House -- would place any veteran who has ever been diagnosed with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) on the federal gun ban list.

This is exactly what President Bill Clinton did over seven years ago when his administration illegitimately added some 83,000 veterans into the National Criminal Information System (NICS system) -- prohibiting them from purchasing firearms, simply because of afflictions like PTSD.

The proposed ban is actually broader. Anyone who is diagnosed as being a tiny danger to himself or others would have his gun rights taken away ... forever. It is section 102(b)(1)(C)(iv) in HR 2640 that provides for dumping raw medical records into the system. Those names -- like the 83,000 records mentioned above -- will then, by law, serve as the basis for gun banning.

No wonder the Military Order of the Purple Heart is opposed to this legislation.

The House bill, HR 2640, is being sponsored by one of the most flaming anti-Second Amendment Representatives in Congress: Carolyn McCarthy (D-NY). Another liberal anti-gunner, Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-VT), is sponsoring the bill in the Senate.

Proponents of the bill say that helpful amendments have been made so that any veteran who gets his name on the NICS list can seek an expungement.

But whenever you talk about expunging names from the Brady NICS system, you’re talking about a procedure that has always been a long shot. Right now, there are NO EXPUNGEMENTS of law-abiding Americans’ names that are taking place under federal level. Why? Because the expungement process which already exists has been blocked for over a decade by a "funds cut-off" engineered by another anti-gunner, Sen. Charles Schumer (D-NY).

So how will this bill make things even worse? Well, two legal terms are radically redefined in the Veterans Disarmament Act to carry out this vicious attack on veterans’ gun rights.

One term relates to who is classified a "mental defective." Forty years ago that term meant one was adjudicated "not guilty" in a court of law by reason of insanity. But under the Veterans Disarmament Act, "mental defective" has been stretched to include anyone whom a psychiatrist determines might be a tiny danger to self or others.

The second term is "adjudicate." In the past, one could only lose one's gun rights through an adjudication by a judge, magistrate or court -- meaning conviction after a trial. Adjudication could only occur in a court with all the protections of due process, including the right to face one's accuser. Now, adjudication in HR 2640 would include a finding by "a court, commission, committee or other authorized person" (namely, a psychiatrist).

Forget the fact that people with PTSD have the same violent crime rate as the rest of us. Vietnam vets with PTSD have had careers and obtained permits to carry firearms concealed. It will now be enough for a psychiatric diagnosis (a "determination" in the language of the bill) to get a veteran barred *for life * from owning guns.

Think of what this bill would do to veterans. If a robber grabs your wallet and takes everything in it, but gives you back $5 to take the bus home, would you call that a financial enhancement? If not, then we should not let HR 2640 supporters call the permission to seek an expungement an enhancement, when prior to this bill, veterans could not legitimately be denied their gun rights after being diagnosed with PTSD.

Veterans with PTSD should not be put in a position to seek an expungement. They have not been convicted (after a trial with due process) of doing anything wrong. If a veteran is thought to be a threat to self or others, there should be a real trial, not an opinion (called a diagnosis) by a psychiatrist.

If members of Congress do not hear from soldiers (active duty and retired) in large numbers, along with the rest of the public, the Veterans Disarmament Act -- misleadingly titled by Rep. McCarthy as the NICS Improvement Amendments Act -- will send this message to veterans: "No good deed goes unpunished."

Moving to other topics.

As a vet myself this article concerns me greatly!

This is just another example of disarming Americans. The united nations would love it...

With the fact that they have diagnosed practically every little kid that doesn't comply with ADD and now there a surge of Bi-polar disorder for normal teens......depression or even stress could be enough of a "mental illness" to disqualify just about everybody.....not to mention side effects of medications they seem to be determined to have everyone on. Before long no-one will be considered enough in their right mind to own a gun.

Seems one way or another they are determined to take every freedom away from all of us......front door, back-door or while you are sleeping.

Originally Posted by crazybird

With the fact that they have diagnosed practically every little kid that doesn't comply with ADD and now there a surge of Bi-polar disorder for normal teens......depression or even stress could be enough of a "mental illness" to disqualify just about everybody.....not to mention side effects of medications they seem to be determined to have everyone on. Before long no-one will be considered enough in their right mind to own a gun.

Seems one way or another they are determined to take every freedom away from all of us......front door, back-door or while you are sleeping.

Crazybird - You can obviously see what is going on here. Please do your best to get this word out and help to stop this. The implications are not good!!!

For more information on this topic and to send an e-mail to your Senators (JBS.org)

http://capwiz.com/jbs/issues/alert/?alertid=9904966

DONE!

Welcome to ALIPAC MisplacedCowboy!

CCUSA -

Thank you and Thank you!!! Please get this word out to your friends.

MisplacedCowboy wrote:

I realize this does not deal with Illegal immigration but this is an extremely important matter.

Perhaps it does in some small way. What makes this any different than the piece by piece expansion of legal immigration our U.S. Congress has pushed through over the years, and the actions they're currently taking to legalize illegal immigrants. Very few baseball games are won in the first inning of a baseball game, it's a nine inning process. It's the same with taking our guns away, expanding legal immigration, legalizing illegals, etc. To prevent a revolt of the people, they just push bad policy and law on us piece at a time in the hope that we won't notice. It's standard operating procedure for our federal government.