Thread: Hoffman: ACORN stole N.Y. 23 election

November 18, 2009

Hoffman alleges vote fraud in NY 23

Even as he faces near-impossible odds of pulling ahead in the count, Doug Hoffman announced Wednesday night that he is officially revoking his concession from Election Night, and is accusing labor unions and ACORN of stealing the election for Rep. Bill Owens (D-N.Y.).

Hoffman posted a message on his campaign site Wednesday alleging dirty tricks by Democrats, and is asking for additional campaign contributions to fund a legal challenge to the election results.

“As evidence surfaces, we find out that reported results from election night were far from accurate. ACORN and the unions did their best to try and sway the results to Obamacare supporter Bill Owens," Hoffman wrote on his campaign site. "Rest assured, they will not succeed, and I am therefore revoking my statement of concession.â€

I hope everyone on Alipac will support Alipac and support Doug Hoffman.

Everything is everyone else's fault but his huh? He loses the Republican candidate selection to Dede Scozzafava, he with no political experience and she with over 16 years in elected office in that district, and it's not his fault, it's the fault of the "party bosses". These "bosses" are duly elected chairmen of the 11 counties County Republican Party', voted on by their members. These "bosses" are required to assemble and select a candidate to run in the Special Election according to not what they decide at the local pizza parlor, but according to New York State Law.

Then, Hoffman predictably loses to the Democrat when the Republican withdrew, a Democrat who is actually an Independent who was raised as a Republican, who ran on the Democratic Party Ticket only because he didn't think he could win running as a Independent, and now it's the fault of the labor unions and ACORN.

No Doug. You ran a campaign on lies against the Republican candidate. You ran well but o far have lost to Doug Owens because more people so far have noted for him. And when all the people find out about all the lies you told on national television about Dede Scozzafava, half of the ones who voted for you won't ever vote or you again.

You, Doug, not only breached a promise to the Republicans not to run on another ticket, you lied to the voters about Dede Scozzafava through a national medium, to try and advance yourself at the expense of her and others.

You cost the Republicans a crucial seat in the US Congress, one we've held since 1870, putting your personal interest ahead of the party. You cost Dede Scozzafava, a hard working dedicated public servant who has represented her town as a Mayor for 4 years and her state district as a New York State Assemblywoman for 12 years, a chance she deserved and had worked for to advance on up to the US Congress.

You're a destructive person, Doug, you think only of yourself and are willing to breach promises, demean and degrade decent people, and tell lies about them to get what you want.

I for one have had quite enough of that in the US Congress, thank you. And then to find out that you're pro-immigration and pro-free trade to boot? What a hoot! A pro-immigration pro-free trade "Conservative".

Originally Posted by ELE

I hope everyone on Alipac will support Alipac and support Doug Hoffman.

I'm sorry ELE, I can not support Doug Hoffman. We'll have to agree to disagree on Doug Hoffman.

But I will always support ALIPAC!

It's OK Judy, I know your heart is in the right place, we just don't agree on this one issue. Smile.

Originally Posted by ELE

It's OK Judy, I know your heart is in the right place, we just don't agree on this one issue. Smile.

Thank you for understanding ELE.

Originally Posted by Judy

Originally Posted by ELE

I hope everyone on Alipac will support Alipac and support Doug Hoffman.

I'm sorry ELE, I can not support Doug Hoffman. We'll have to agree to disagree on Doug Hoffman.

You say Doug ran on lies, Id like to know what they were please. I for one am tired of the way the Rep party has gone. Dede needed to go. She was a leftist that would vote with the Dems. If the Rep party dosnt get back to its roots of conservatism, we are done. We dont need someone like Dede just because she will put an R in front of her. What good is that. Had the Rep party backed Hoffeman we may have won it. If she was elected by the 11 county Rep party as you say. Then our problems are much worse than I thought. Those people should not be in those positions. The Rep party better clean its house out because people have had enough.

Originally Posted by LuvMyCountry

Originally Posted by Judy

Originally Posted by ELE

I hope everyone on Alipac will support Alipac and support Doug Hoffman.

I'm sorry ELE, I can not support Doug Hoffman. We'll have to agree to disagree on Doug Hoffman.

You say Doug ran on lies, Id like to know what they were please. I for one am tired of the way the Rep party has gone. Dede needed to go. She was a leftist that would vote with the Dems. If the Rep party dosnt get back to its roots of conservatism, we are done. We dont need someone like Dede just because she will put an R in front of her. What good is that. Had the Rep party backed Hoffeman we may have won it. If she was elected by the 11 county Rep party as you say. Then our problems are much worse than I thought. Those people should not be in those positions. The Rep party better clean its house out because people have had enough.

1. He ran on the false statement that ACORN endorsed Dede Scozzafava, when they endorsed Doug Owens, not Dede Scozzafava.

2. He ran on the false statement that Dede Scozzafava supported Cap and Trade, when she opposes Cap and Trade and believes it will "destroy our economy."

3. He ran on the false statement that Dede Scozzafava supported Obama Care, when she opposed Obama Care, and while she supports some health care reform measures, including tort reform, she supports free market solutions, not a government takeover of health care.

4. He ran on the false statement that Dede Scozzafava had supported big spending programs and tax increases, when she had opposed and voted against the Democrats big spending programs and tax increases for 12 years in the New York State Assembly. The only tax increase bills she voted for were the routine bills that allowed local communities to either extend or increase at their local option their sales taxes in order to balance their budgets.

5. He ran on the false statement that Dede Scozzafava was a "leftist" and more like a Democrat than a Republican, which couldn't be farther from the truth about her positions, ideologies or voting record, which were completely Republican across the board.

5. Your belief that "conservatism" is the root of the Republican Party shows you might need to study up on the principles, history, track record and achievements of the Republican Party, which are not and have never been "conservative". They've been the complete opposite. Republicans are the liberal freedom-fighters, civil rights activists, and big idea proponents of the United States. Republicans started a war over civil liberty. Republicans fought for and passed 3 Constitution Amendments to secure that liberty for every person in the United States. Republicans passed the first minimum wage laws and are responsible for the 40 hour work week, automatic overtime pay, child labor laws, equal pay for equal work, worker safety laws, OSHA, Affirmative Action, the Sherman Anti-Trust Act that made anti-trust anti-competition behavior illegal in the United States, our first trans-continental railroads, our national parks system, our Interstate Highway System, protected trade, immigration controls, all 6 US Civil Rights Acts and was the first political party under Teddy Roosevelt to get behind women's voting and equal rights.

Republicans are the liberal progressives of the United States, not the "conservatives". It's just that when we come up with a Big Idea, as fiscal conservatives and only moderately so at that, we like to have a plan to pay for it. We are also laissez-faire proponents and opposed to government intervention in the personal lives of Americans. Republicans also vehemently opposed for all the right reasons, both the Federal Revenue Act that established the federal income tax as well as the Federal Reserve Act of 1913 that established our Federal Reserve System.

The tale that's being told that Republicans have their "roots in conservatism" is just a Very Tall Tale, based on 155 years of achievements to the complete contrary.

Sure, I'm upset with some of the positions of some of our Republican politicians too, who support illegal and excessive legal immigration, free trade treason and mandated income-based taxation for starters. And these are the areas our party needs to focus on because these are the policies that are destroying our country, but none of those are a debate between conservatism or liberalism, those are debates between right and wrong and what works and what doesn't. Illegal immigration and excessive legal immigration don't work because they overpopulate our nation with more people than we have jobs for requiring government entitlement programs to sustain the surplus. Free Trade doesn't work because it sucks our industrial job base out of the country and takes our jobs, investments, infrastructure, technology and brain trust with it and to date has cost the United States over 32 million good jobs. Mandated income-based taxation doesn't work because it drains our personal and business investment capital into the general pig sty of government socialism against the will of the people. All three of these political perversions need to removed from the landscape of the United States or our economy will fail completely and we won't have the prosperity to sustain ourselves let alone defend our own liberty.

Doug Hoffman supports more immigration, free trade treason and mandated taxation, so he's on the opposite side of the three most crucial issues facing the United States. Why would you or anyone else want to support him? I don't understand that at all!

But if you do, then we'll just have to agree to disagree on Doug Hoffman.