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    The House just passed its big tax bill. Here’s what is in it.

    The House just passed its big tax bill. Here’s what is in it.

    By Heather Long November 16 at 7:46 AM

    President Trump and GOP House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (Wis.) won a major victory as the House passed the tax bill Thursday, the central piece of the Republican plan to boost the U.S. economy. No Democrats voted for the bill. Ryan could lose 22 GOP votes, but in the end, he only lost 13.

    The legislation would affect every American household and business owner. The bill was first introduced Nov. 2and was voted on just two weeks later, leaving little time for analysis or debate on the 440-page legislation. The next step is for the Senate to pass its version and then for both chambers to reconcile their substantial differences.


    The main goal of the House's “Tax Cut and Jobs Act” is to lower taxes on companies in an effort to make them more competitive and discourage them from moving abroad. The bill reduces the corporate tax rate from 35 percent to 20 percent and the rate for pass-through businesses down to 25 percent (with some restrictions). Many families would also pay less, although Ryan has admitted that won't be the case for everyone.

    Here's a rundown of what is actually in the final version of the bill that passed.


    It keeps the Affordable Care Act's individual mandate.


    The House voted on a tax bill only. The Senate bill includes a provision to scrap the legal requirement that almost all Americans buy health insurance or pay a penalty. The House isn't touching that, which may lead to a showdown between the two chambers if they have to resolve their very different versions of the bill.


    Big businesses win.
    The House bill cuts the top rate that large corporations pay from 35 percent to 20 percent, the biggest one-time drop in the big-business tax rate ever. It is a permanent change that does not expire. On top of that, companies would get some new tax breaks to help lower their bills, such as the ability to deduct all the costs of purchasing new equipment for five years, as well as a special low rate on any money they bring back to the United States from low-tax countries such as Ireland.

    Many businesses have been holding cash overseas to avoid 35 percent U.S. taxes. Now they would get to bring the money home at a tax rate of 12 percent.The entire business tax system would also change from a worldwide system, in which money anywhere around the globe is taxed, to a territorial system in which it's mostly money made in the United States that is taxed. Businesses have long lobbied for this change.


    Small businesses get a mini-win.
    The National Federation of Independent Businesses, the largest small business lobby, initially was against the House bill, but Republicans made some changes and now the NFIB is giving its blessing. 95 percent of American businesses are organized as pass through companies (LLCs, S-Corps, partnerships), and they “pass through” the business income to the owner's individual tax rate. The House plan lowers the top rate from 39.6 percent to 25 percent for small businesses (excluding “service companies” like consultants and lawyers) and requires a complex formula where the 25 percent rate only applies to about 30 percent of the business income. But the reality is most small businesses — 85 percent — already pay taxes at rates of 25 percent or less. To help out the small “mom and pops,” the final bill has a 9 percent rate on the first $75,000 in income for business owners making $150,000 or less. But that tax break phases in, meaning it isn't fully available until 2022.


    The rich do very well.
    The wealthy get a lot of benefits in the bill. The estate tax, which is paid only when property and other assets worth over $5.5 million are passed on to heirs, doubles to about $11 million in 2018 (around $22 million for couples), meaning a lot fewer people have to pay it. And the estate tax goes away entirely in 2024. The mega-wealthy also would get to keep charitable deductions, a popular way that lowers their tax bills, and they no longer would have to pay the alternative minimum tax (AMT), a safeguard against excessive tax dodging that's been in place since 1969. Some wealthy business owners would be able to take advantage of the lower pass-through rate as well. Overall, the Tax Policy Center found that half the benefits of the bill go to the top 1 percent by 2027.


    Donald Trump would probably benefit a lot.
    As The Washington Post explains, many parts of the bill help Trump.

    One of the interesting ones is that the lower 25 percent pass-through rate would apply to all income for passive real estate investors like Trump, a much better deal than most active pass-through business owners get.


    Most Americans
    pay the same — or lower — taxes until 2023.For the next five years, the vast majority of Americans (92 percent) would either pay less or see little change, according to the official estimates from the Joint Committee on Taxation. But that shifts sharply after five years. In 2023, only 40 percent of Americans would pay less. Twenty-two percent would pay more (the rest see little change), JCT found.


    After 2023, a key middle-class tax break expires.
    Many of the people facing tax hikes are solidly middle class ($40,000 to $75,000) or else in the “upper upper” middle class ($200,000 to $400,000), JCT found. A key savings for the middle class — the Family Flexibility Credit — goes away after 2022. The House bill also uses a low measure of inflation after 2022, meaning more and more people start to jump from the 12 percent tax bracket to the 25 percent bracket (which starts to kick in at $67,500 for heads of households). Higher income earners are impacted by the elimination of numerous itemized deductions (see more explanation on those below).


    Taxes will get simpler for many.
    The House bill collapses the seven tax brackets the country has down to just four (12 percent, 25 percent, 35 percent and 39.6 percent). The top rate becomes a “millionaire rate” applying to income of $1 million or more a year for couples (and of $500,000 or more for individuals).


    In an effort to simplify, the House bill also does away with many of the credits and deductions and replaces them with a larger standard deduction, a slightly larger child tax credit ($1,600 per kid versus $1,000 now) and a new Family Flexibility Credit worth $300 a year for individuals and $600 for couples. The larger standard deduction means the first $12,000 for individuals and $24,000 for couples is tax-free.


    Say goodbye to most deductions.
    Almost all itemized deductions are going away, except for three. The final House bill keeps the deductions for charitable donations, property taxes up to $10,000 a year and the mortgage interest deduction. The mortgage interest deduction would be capped at $500,000 for mortgages (down from $1 million now).


    About 30 percent of filers itemize. Most of the people who itemize claim the state and local tax deduction (SALT) where they deduct their state and local sales, income and property taxes. Under the House bill, only the property deduction would remain. This hurts people living in high-tax (and often blue) states like New Jersey, New York and California. Several GOP representatives from these states plan to vote no on the bill in protest.


    The adoption credit stays. The 401(k) exemption stays. But . . .


    Say goodbye to the tax credits for plug-in motor vehicles.
    It gets repealed in 2018.


    Say goodbye to the deduction for medical expenses.
    It goes away in 2018.


    Say goodbye to being able to write off the costs of your tax preparer.
    That goes away in 2018.


    Say goodbye to the deduction for moving expenses.
    It goes away in 2018, except for members of the military.


    Say goodbye to most tax benefits for college.
    At the moment, low and middle income Americans can deduct up to $2,500 a year in student loan interest. That benefit would go away in 2018. In addition, grad students who get tuition waivers because they teach or do research would now have to pay income tax on the waiver, a big change. For students currently in school, the American Opportunity Tax Credit would remain, which allows a $2,000 credit for higher education expenses.


    Say goodbye to the deduction for theft or loss of valuables.
    Right now people can write a lot of their losses off on their taxes, but that would be gone in 2018. The one exemption is losses for a natural disaster such as Hurricane Harvey. Those would stay.


    How much does the bill cost (and who pays)?
    The price tag for the bill is just over $1.4 trillion, according to JCT, meaning that amount would be added to the debt if spending cuts are not made (or more revenue raised) in the coming years to offset the cost. Economists believe the tax cuts would generate some additional growth, but not nearly enough to cover the costs.


    It total, about three-quarters of the benefits go to businesses and the remaining quarter goes to individuals.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...what-is-in-it/

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    The House Republicans who voted 'no' on tax reform

    The House Republicans who voted 'no' on tax reform

    By Hannah Lang, CNN
    Updated 3:50 PM ET, Thu November 16, 2017

    House passes GOP tax bill, Senate plan unclear 01:42

    STORY HIGHLIGHTS


    • Tax reform bill passed in the House with a 227-205 vote
    • Several House Republicans opposed doing away with the state and local income tax deduction


    Washington (CNN)The House of Representatives passed major tax reform legislation Thursday, despite 13 House Republicans joining all House Democrats to oppose the bill.

    Several House Republicans opposed doing away with the state and local income tax deduction and cited concerns that the bill would hurt individuals living in expensive areas like California and New York.

    The 13 House Republicans that voted against the bill are:

    • Rep. Dan Donovan (New York)
    • Rep. John Faso (New York)
    • Rep. Rodney Frelinghuysen (New Jersey)
    • Rep. Darrell Issa (California)
    • Rep. Walter Jones (North Carolina)
    • Rep. Peter King (New York)
    • Rep. Leonard Lance (New Jersey)
    • Rep. Frank LoBiondo (New Jersey)
    • Rep. Tom McClintock (California)
    • Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (California)
    • Rep. Chris Smith (New Jersey)
    • Rep. Elise Stefanik (New York)
    • Rep. Lee Zeldin (New York)

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/16/politics/house-republicans-vote-no-tax-bill/index.html
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    I didn't see anything on ending the child tax credit for illegal immigrants.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MW View Post
    I didn't see anything on ending the child tax credit for illegal immigrants.
    Click here to check: 440-page legislation.
    I was going to look it up, but, 440 PAGES.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnDoe2 View Post
    Click here to check: 440-page legislation.
    I was going to look it up, but, 440 PAGES.
    Don't blame you. I too have no interest in going through 440 pages.

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    Senate tax bill cuts taxes of wealthy, hikes taxes on families earning under $75,000


    • By Heather Long | The Washington Post


    • 15 min ago


    WASHINGTON — The tax bill Senate Republicans are championing would give large tax cuts to millionaires while raising taxes on American families earning $10,000 to $75,000 over the next decade, according to a report released Thursday by the Joint Committee on Taxation, Congress’ official nonpartisan analysts.

    President Donald Trump and Republican lawmakers have been heralding their bill as a win for hard-working Americans, but the JCT report casts doubt on that claim. Tax hikes for households earning $10,000 to $30,000 would start in 2021 and grow sharply from there. By the year 2027, Americans earning $30,000 to $75,000 a year would also be forced to pay more in taxes even though people earning over $100,000 continue to get substantial tax cuts.

    Most of the hit to the poor and working-class comes from the Senate Republicans’ push to insert a major health care shift into the tax bill. The decision to repeal the requirement that all Americans buy health insurance or face a penalty would lead to 13 million more uninsured, the Congressional Budget Office has said. Many of those people earn modest incomes and currently receive tax credits and subsidies from the government to help them afford insurance. As health insurance premiums rise and people opt not to buy insurance anymore, their tax breaks go away, explained Thomas Barthold, head of the JCT.

    Senator Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, the lead author of the GOP tax bill, dismissed the findings as an accounting gimmick.

    “Anyone who says we’re hiking taxes on low-income families is misstating the facts,” Hatch said. “Obviously we have no intention of raising taxes on those families. Every Republican on this committee has been committed to providing tax cuts for every income cohort.”

    Hatch and other Republicans say that low-income people get a choice about whether to buy health insurance or not. If they no longer wish to buy insurance, they would not get government subsidies anymore to help make their health insurance more affordable. JCT is calculating that as a tax increase, but Republicans say it is “ridiculous” to look at it that way. The subsidy was being paid to the insurance company, not to individuals.


    “Did we take away their money? No,” says Sen. Mike Crapo, R-Idaho. “There’s not one dollar taken away from them if they make that choice [not to buy insurance].”

    Most Americans earning $10,000 to $20,000 a year don’t pay any income taxes. The JCT shows they would get a small credit or refund. But people earning $20,000 to $30,000 do pay a small amount in federal taxes. Their average tax rate would climb from 3.7 percent to 4.2 percent in 2021 under the plan. Meanwhile millionaires’ average tax rate would fall from 32.4 percent to 30.9 percent.

    “What is happening now is just shameful,” said Senator Ron Wyden, D-Oregon, shortly after the JCT tables were released. “I don’t know how anybody can go home and explain why it’s a good idea to hike taxes on parents who barely stay afloat to pay for a massive corporate handout.”

    Democrats point out that it’s more than the insurance subsidy at stake. By 2027, most Americans earning less than $75,000 would be paying more. A big reason for that is the individual tax cuts go away after 2025. Republicans opted to make the tax cuts for businesses permanent, but the cuts for individuals expire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MW View Post
    I didn't see anything on ending the child tax credit for illegal immigrants.
    House version of tax reform would require Social Security number to get the 'additional child tax credit' . . .

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    NO TAX REFUNDS TO ILLEGAL ALIENS...SAVE US BILLIONS.

    CUT THEM OFF AT THE KNEES...GET THEM OFF OUR HEALTHCARE, OUT OF OUR SCHOOLS, OFF WELFARE AND FOOD STAMPS!

    MAKE THEM SELF DEPORT...IF CAUGHT...NO CHANCE TO EVER COME BACK!
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    What is the definition of "taxable" income under the bill? Does it comply with the meaning of "income" as our Supreme Court defined income shortly after the 16th Amendment was adopted?

    For those unaware, Congress has manipulated and altered the constitutional meaning of taxable income for years in order to reward donors and sell exemptions from the so-called "income tax". So, what are the characteristics which define taxable income under the bill?


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