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    I Was Wrong About Ron Paul On Immigration

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    I Was Wrong About Ron Paul On Immigration

    By Digger

    So I sat down tonight to finally get around to writing my hit piece about Ron Paul on his immigration stance. That's right, a hit piece that would shut you Ron Paul wackos supporters up once and for all about how tough Ron Paul is on immigration.

    For some reason through briefly glancing over his record at one point and reading some articles over the years, I had come to the conclusion that he was a fake, a fraud and had just jumped on the immigration bandwagon.

    How wrong I was!

    I truly don't know how I made that mistake - It probably was the H1-B visa issue I mention below - but here's the information that I've dug up on my long awaited witch hunt - that turned into almost total admiration - for Ron Paul on immigration.

    First, let me preface this with the meaning of "almost total admiration". I am a Tancredo supporter. You can't "out Tancredo", Tancredo on immigration, it simply isn't possible and hence the "almost total admiration" bit.

    A quick overview of Ron Paul. He's been a Republican Representative for Texas since 1997. He is a member of the Congressional Immigration Reform Caucus founded by Tom Tancredo in 1999 (and currently led by Brian Bilbray). He has an almost lunatic and hellbent group of supporters out there that always show up at every rally I've been to (one time with a guy wearing a Ben Franklin outfit). He also has managed to turn these supporters into donors, racking up some impressive cash to support his candidacy.

    OK, enough on that basic info. Here is what you really need to know about Ron Paul and immigration.

    I'm not going to just spout what he's been saying on his website. All of this information below is backed up with hardcore action through Ron Paul actually voting and signing official letters in Congress.

    "We have security issues at home and our resources are running thin. Our education system is stretched, and immigration accounts for virtually all the national increase in public school enrollment in the last 2 decades. There is a worker present in 78% of immigrant households using at least one major welfare program... It’s no surprise then that often times these immigrants can afford to work for lower wages. They are subsidized by our government to do so." - Ron Paul


    Birthright Citizenship


    Gone, Finito, Adios! Ron Paul would end the practice of "anchor babies", "jackpot babies", birthright citizenship or whatever you want to call it.
    He has personally co-sponsored 5 bills going all the way back to his first appearances on Capitol Hill in 1997 to end birthright citizenship and the practice of giving US citizenship to the children of illegal aliens.
    There's no doubts on his stance on this.

    "The anchor baby phenomenon has also been very problematic. Simply being born on US soil to illegal immigrant parents should not trigger automatic citizenship. This encourages many dangerous behaviors and there are many unintended consequences as a result of this blanket policy. I am against amnesty and I have introduced an amendment to the Constitution (H.J. Res 46) which will end this form of amnesty." - Ron Paul


    Funding Illegal Alien Social Services


    La Raza won't like Ron Paul one single bit when it comes to all the freebies that illegal aliens currently get.
    Oh yes, Ron Paul would not just do away with some little programs they receive, but would take away the following current gifts they receive from US taxpayers.
    public schooling
    social security
    welfare
    free healthcare
    food stamps
    any other form of government assistance
    In addition he voted against the "Totalization" agreement several times that would have given illegal aliens from Mexico US Social Security.

    "Right now we are subsidizing a lot of illegal immigration with our robust social programs and it is an outrage that instead of coming to the United States as a land of opportunity, many come for the security guaranteed by government forced transfer payments through our welfare system. I have opposed giving federal assistance to illegal immigrants and have introduced legislation that ends this practice. In the last major House-passed immigration bill I attempted to introduce an amendment that would make illegal immigrants ineligible for any federal assistance." - Ron Paul


    Sanctuary Policies


    Goodbye to funding for states and cities using sanctuary policies.
    Ron Paul has voted to deny federal funding to states that won't work and share information with federal immigration agencies. Voted to deny highway funding to states that issue driver's licenses to illegal aliens. Remember these are actual votes, not just a lot of talk about it. The vote against highway funding was in 2003, long before presidential campaigns were forcing people like Romney, Giuliani and Huckabee to play some game with immigration.


    Border Security And Local Enforcement


    Ron Paul voted for the border fence. He has also voted several times for state and local law enforcment to be allowed to help enforce immigration law. The one thing he has voted against time and again is putting troops on the border. He has however voted for bills to increase the Border Patrol.

    "I have also supported the strengthening our border and increasing the number of border patrol agents. It is an outrage that our best trained border guards are sent to Iraq instead of guarding our borders. For national security, we need to give more attention to our own border which is being illegally breached every day, and yet the government shirks one of its few constitutionally mandated duties, namely to defend this country. Citizens lose twice with our current insecure border situation – we don’t have the protection we should have, and then taxpayers have to deal with the fallout in the form of overstretched public resources and loss of jobs." - Ron Paul


    Workplace Verification And Free Trade


    Free trade affects immigration and Ron Paul is against it firmly. He voted against CFTA (Chile Free trade Agreement), SFTA (Singapore Free trade Agreement) and CAFTA (Central American Free trade Agreement). He also voted to prevent immigration related items to be included in Free Trade Agreements. Some sneaky people were trying to include special country related immigration allowances in these agreements as part of the deal.
    Where Paul is wobbly is on workplace enforcement. He voted against the Basic Pilot Program employment verification system in 2003, but then voted in favor of HR 4437 in 2005, which included the Basic Pilot Program in it. He also voted against funding the REAL ID Act and to not tie a driver's license expiration date to a visa expiration date. From what I've seen and read this all seems to have something to do with his stance on privacy rights, not the opposition to making sure workers are legal. I'd like to ask him what his proposal for verifying workers is if he doesn't agree with E-VERIFY, which is what Basic Pilot is now known as.


    Matricula Consular And Other Non-Verified Foreign Documents


    Ron Paul has stood firmly against "ID Cards" issued by Consulates like the Matricula Consular issued by Mexican Consulates throughout the US. Paul has voted against their acceptance by financial institutions as well as against their acceptance by federal agencies and authorities.


    Foreign Workers


    Another small strike against Paul is his voting in favor of doubling high tech worker H1-B visas in 1998. In that same year he also voted against a bill that would have required that businesses ensure that they've actively tried to hire an American worker before applying to have a foreign worker come here on a visa like the H1-B.
    I find that to be a little shameful that he would allow for the free flow of new foreign workers that could displace Americans. However, look at the date of that vote. 1998. The dot-com bubble was just about to take off and and I was there at the time. Things were hopping and there truly was a shortage of workers at the time. I think there should have been a cliff though with the bill and it should have been up for review every other year to ensure that our tech workforce wasn't decimated like it was.


    Visa Lottery


    Gone...
    Ron Paul has voted many times to get rid of the Visa Lottery. A worthless system that draws names out of a hat as to who comes here rather than looking at their qualifications and what they can do for our country and reasonings for coming here.


    Mexican Trucks


    "Rather than securing our borders, we seem to be providing more pores for illegal aliens, drug dealers, and terrorists to permeate. ... Not only that, but the anti-competitive and burdensome yoke of over-regulation of our industry at home is about to send a lot more Americans to the unemployment lines." - Ron Paul (1)


    Other Items


    Paul has also signed two letters directly related to immigration to the speaker of the House. The first was to Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert opposing an amnesty for illegal aliens in 2000. The second was a letter to Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi in 2007 from the Immigration Reform Caucus opposing the introduction of immigration legislation.

    In Closing


    So I stand corrected. Ron Paul is a true blue immigration warrior and I made a mistake somehow in thinking otherwise. This does not mean that I endorse him on other issues such as an immediate pull out of Iraq or the closing of Guantanamo Bay or the belief in the North American Union (although some of his other ideas are intriguing), just that his immigration stance truly is one that takes the issue head on in the right way and has for over 10 years.

    You can read more about Ron Paul and his immigration stance at Americans for Better Immigration and the official Ron Paul 2008 Website

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    Amen.

    Go Ron Paul!

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    I did not know that digger viewed the North American Union plan with skepticism or that he was not aware of the voting record of Ron Paul. Ron Paul's amendment HJ Res 46 (end Birthright Citizenship) needs more co - sponsors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgiaPeach
    I did not know that digger viewed the North American Union plan with skepticism or that he was not aware of the voting record of Ron Paul. Ron Paul's amendment HJ Res 46 (end Birthright Citizenship) needs more co - sponsors.

    Luke 2
    I didn't either, until I read this. Don't worry though, he'll come around.

    As they said on 'X-Files', the truth is OUT THERE...

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    Thanks Pinestrawguy for posting an excellent analysis of Ron Pauls immigration record.

    I think us supporters already knew this info but there seems to be some who are confused on the facts and this should clear that up.



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    Quote Originally Posted by USPatriot
    Thanks Pinestrawguy for posting an excellent analysis of Ron Pauls immigration record.

    I think us supporters already knew this info but there seems to be some who are confused on the facts and this should clear that up.


    I think Digger is confused. There is nothing in there that is news to me. How was he going to write a hit-peice on Paul if he did not know these things? If you do not know the above, then you do not know Paul's immigration stance, and its hard to have a plat-form from which to write a hit-peice.

    Also, I think Digger is wrong about free-trade. Paul is a self-described free trader. He opposes the international bureaucracies of NAFTA, CAFTA etc, but clearly believes these to be impediments to free trade.
    Serve Bush with his letter of resignation.

    See you at the signing!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BearFlagRepublic

    Also, I think Digger is wrong about free-trade. Paul is a self-described free trader. He opposes the international bureaucracies of NAFTA, CAFTA etc, but clearly believes these to be impediments to free trade.
    Exactly.

    He holds the same, radical position as the late Murray Rothbard and other anarcho-capitalists, i.e. there should be no barriers or impediments to free trade whatsoever. Why do you think the writers for Lew Rockwell like him so much?

    The fact that he was technically opposed to some disastrous trade deals because of their underlying structure doesn't mean that his ideas on trade are any less extreme in outcome. He supports trading with countries like Burma, Cuba and Vietnam-which unfortunately, we are currently doing.

    Even if we're simply discussing giving diplomatic recognition and extending trade ties to countries that can not do us direct harm-in the form of damage to our economy or national security interests-the idea is a bad one. Even if trading with Burma doesn't harm Americans it harms our country's moral standing, and yokes more oppression on people who need to be supported. We shouldn't even consider trading with Burma. We should use our international diplomatic, economic and political muscle to press our foot against the Burmese junta's neck and twist it until it's broken.
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    I know he's raised a lot of money, but still don't think he has a chance.
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    I'm with BFR.

    Unless Digger had been portraying Paul as some open borders, pro-amnesty shill-and I'll be honest and say that I haven't kept track of how he's covered the Paul campaign-I don't see what he was wrong about.

    No one is saying that Paul's stance on illegal immigration is bad, only that his positions on broader immigration issues are very troubling, and not identical to those of Hunter and Tancredo-which people who support Paul continuously imply by linking the three candidates together.

    He supports guest worker programs unattached to amnesty-especially the awful H-1B program-and his record on employer verification is spotty-and that's putting a generous spin on it. The Real I.D. issue is a canard, since no one is attacking Paul for opposing that, but for supporting the other aforementioned bad immigration policies.

    Even his stance on illegal immigration is not unblemished, as this mea culpa admits, since he opposes putting members of the Armed Forces on our Southern border. What exactly are the Armed Forces going to-if pulled from their bases in other countries-if not protect our country's territorial integrity/sovereignity?
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    So I sat down tonight to finally get around to writing my hit piece about Ron Paul on his immigration stance. That's right, a hit piece that would shut you Ron Paul wackos supporters up once and for all about how tough Ron Paul is on immigration.
    It is good that he did a thorough investigation, Ron Paul already has lots of hit pieces.

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