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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy View Post
    Clearly, you don't know. So, since you don't even know what you are, then maybe you should refrain from pretending to know what someone else is.
    I make an assessment based on your words. You value profit above the welfare of society, although you believe that allowing money to be the regulator will accomplish justice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy View Post
    What did he "label" me as?
    Greedy?

    You labeled yourself as a "regulated capitalist". That has a rather imprecise definition. "Global economy" kind of looks like a "one world order". I can't say I subscribe to one philosophy. I'm not for pure socialism, yet I'm not for pure capitalism. So it's hard for me to give you a definitive title.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MW View Post
    That's the great thing about open forums ..... the peanut gallery can 'chirp' in when they want. Not feeling any intimidation here. lol
    I think I said something similar to Boomslang when he said I wasn't supposed to talk to him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jtdc View Post
    Greedy?

    You labeled yourself as a "regulated capitalist". That has a rather imprecise definition. "Global economy" kind of looks like a "one world order". I can't say I subscribe to one philosophy. I'm not for pure socialism, yet I'm not for pure capitalism. So it's hard for me to give you a definitive title.
    You "labeled" me as a "true capitalist". I'm actually a regulated capitalist which means like most Americans I support government-regulated capitalism. Examples of regulated capitalism are immigration controls, protected trade, FairTax, OSHA, EPA, USDA, FDA and Sherman Anti-Trust laws.

    When you openly admit you don't understand enough about economics to label or define yourself, you should refrain from using terms you don't understand to define someone else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy View Post
    You "labeled" me as a "true capitalist".
    Well, I threw that out there. I would guess that you are a libertarian. But libertarians are usually for open borders. So you don't fit totally in that category either.

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    Examples of regulated capitalism are immigration controls, protected trade, FairTax, OSHA, EPA, USDA, FDA and Sherman Anti-Trust laws.
    So countries that don't have capitalism don't have regulated immigration? You won't find a majority of Americans who endorse all of the items you listed. So it is unique to you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Judy
    When you openly admit you don't understand enough about economics to label or define yoursel, you should refrain from using terms you don't understand to define someone else.
    You list OSHA, EPA, USDA, and FDA, Those are more political that economical. You are painting with a very wide brush.

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    So you don't even understand what government-regulated capitalism is when someone draws you a picture of it??!!

    Yes, the people through politics and their government pass laws to regulate businesses and trade in our capitalist economy to protect American workers and American businesses from unsafe and unfair trade and business practices. That's what regulated capitalism is. Otherwise you end up with oligarchs running a feudalist economy. If you regulate too much, you end up with socialist or communist based economy.

    Our country was founded as a regulated capitalist economy, and our Constitution has provided the laws and mechanisms for it since the Constitution was ratified.

    I'm not a libertarian, I'm a Republican.

    Maybe you should stop obsessing on what I am and spend more time figuring out what you are.
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    jtdc (excerpt):

    Well, I threw that out there. I would guess that you are a libertarian. But libertarians are usually for open borders. So you don't fit totally in that category either.
    I think you're fairly accurate in your assessment. I've thought of Judy as more Libertarian dating all the way back to her strong support of Ron Paul for President. Sure, Libertarians and Republicans share some beliefs, but as evidenced by her many comments Judy shares more beliefs with Libertarian or Left-Libertarians than she does with Republicans. I understand that very few people are an exact fit to any single party, but everyone leans to one direction more than they do another.

    Republican vs. Libertarian

    Republicans and Libertarians share ground on some policies. They are, generally, both in favor of economic freedom, national defense, respect of property rights, and the right to bear arms.


    Clear issues of departure between the two groups arise when you begin discussing social issues, like drug legalization, abortion and same-sex marriage. Republicans will advocate for prohibition of these actions while Libertarians are in favor of a more “you do you” stance.
    In fairness, perhaps Judy doesn't even realize the many things she has in common with Libertarians. Heck, her much beloved "fair tax" is even favored by the Libertarian presidential candidate, Gary Johnson.

    None of this really matters and it's not a negative or positive reflection of anyone. I'm just saying there is some validity to your assessment.

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    I'm a Classic Republican which means the Original Republicans, who are social liberals/fiscal conservatives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy View Post
    You "labeled" me as a "true capitalist". I'm actually a regulated capitalist which means like most Americans I support government-regulated capitalism.
    Excuse me! I see that like the difference between "illegal alien" and "undocumented immigrant".
    Definition of Capitalism. "Capitalism" is conventionally defined along economic terms such as the following: An economic system in which the means of production and distribution are privately or corporately owned and development is proportionate to the accumulation and reinvestment of profits gained in a free market.

    Quote Originally Posted by Judy
    Examples of regulated capitalism are immigration controls, protected trade, FairTax, OSHA, EPA, USDA, FDA and Sherman Anti-Trust laws.
    As I already said, most of those are political. There may be economics involved, but they are not directly economic in nature.

    Quote Originally Posted by Judy
    When you openly admit you don't understand enough about economics to label or define yourself, you should refrain from using terms you don't understand to define someone else.
    I generally don't categorize everybody into specific groups. There are too many different allegiances. I labeled you as a "true capitalist" because you appear to put money above all else. I did not put that as an official definition.

    So one needs a doctorate in economics before they can express an opinion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy View Post
    So you don't even understand what government-regulated capitalism is when someone draws you a picture of it??!!
    Correct! When I looked it up I get
    Regulatory capitalism - Wikipedia
    "The term regulatory capitalism suggests that the operation maintenance and development of the global political economy increasingly depends on administrative rules outside the legislatures and the courts."

    The term "suggests". So you fill in the definition you want.

    Quote Originally Posted by Judy
    That's what regulated capitalism is.
    No, that's "regulation"! Sometimes there are economic factors such as fines rather than physical punishment for non-compliance. So those entities may use economic methods to enforce their rules, but that is different from overall management of the economy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Judy
    Otherwise you end up with oligarchs running a feudalist economy.
    Like we don't now!


    Quote Originally Posted by Judy
    I'm not a libertarian, I'm a Republican.
    From what I have seen, libertarians are for no restrictions on drugs. That is what you advocate. Republicans have traditionally been against that. Libertarians are for open borders. Republicans are for tight border control. So you fit into neither of those camps fully. Obviously not all libertarians subscribe to all of the planks of the Libertarian Party, but then neither do all Republican subscribe to all of the planks of the Republican Party. So you are free to claim what title you want to identify with.

    Quote Originally Posted by Judy
    Maybe you should stop obsessing on what I am and spend more time figuring out what you are.
    My, you are sensitive about that. I must admit, I have found no single category that I fully fit in. I don't buy into religions, but I don't adhere to atheism, which I just consider another religion. While I lean Republican and am registered as such, there is much of their hype I disagree with. Libertarian, I agreed with about 8 of their 10 planks, but those two were a deal breaker.

    So I continue to wander aimlessly!

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