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    More than 800 gun buyers on terror watch list(explosives)

    More than 800 gun buyers on terror watch list

    By EILEEN SULLIVAN, The Associated Press
    12:59 p.m. June 22, 2009

    WASHINGTON — Government investigators say that several hundred background checks for gun purchases over the past five years matched names on the terrorist watch list.

    And the Government Accountability Office says existing gun laws allowed more than 800 of those purchases to go through.

    Under federal law, being on the terror watch list is not among the nine factors that disqualify someone from purchasing a gun – like a felony conviction.

    The GAO – which is the watchdog arm of Congress – provided updated statistics in a report released Monday.

    The GAO issued a report on the watch-list loophole in 2005, but no changes have been made to the law.

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    Under federal law, being on the terror watch list is not among the nine factors that disqualify someone from purchasing a gun – like a felony conviction.

    The GAO issued a report on the watch-list loophole in 2005, but no changes have been made to the law.
    So Bush and Congress did nothing about this from 2005 until Jan. 2009 ?

    I sure hope Congress and Obama are now smarter than that.
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    Most crimes committed with guns involved illegally obtained weapons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by swatchick
    Most crimes committed with guns involved illegally obtained weapons.
    The key word here is "MOST".
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    CNN.com

    When people on the government's terrorist watch list have tried to buy guns or explosives

    in recent years, the government has let them the vast majority of ...

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    JohnDoe wrote:

    So Bush and Congress did nothing about this from 2005 until Jan. 2009 ?

    I sure hope Congress and Obama are now smarter than that.
    You can't be serious!

    Many on the terrorist watch list probably don't deserve to be there. It's simply a 'watch' list, not an actual list of criminals. I'm going to get real worried when the government start taking our weapons simply because THEY think we're a threat to their agenda. As for Obama, if he and the Democrats had their way, none of us would be able to purchase or own a gun!

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    Most crimes committed with guns involved illegally obtained weapons.
    You're absolutely correct. Most folks aren't going utilize a gun registered to themselves in a terrorist act, and anyone with a lick of smarts isn't going to utilize their registered gun for any crime. The vast majority of registered weapons are used for sports shooting and personal protection (mainly home protection).

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    Most folks aren't going utilize a gun registered to themselves in a terrorist act, and anyone with a lick of smarts isn't going to utilize their registered gun for any crime.
    Most terrorist these days are suicide types. Do you really think that a person who is willing to die in the commission of a terrorist act cares if the gun they use is registered to them?
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    People on terrorist watch list allowed to buy guns

    Story Highlights
    Report says more than 900 background checks conducted on watch list subjects

    About 90 percent of those sales were allowed to proceed

    Senator says he is introducing measure to curtail sales to "terrorists"

    Watch list has been criticized as containing outdated information

    updated 3:17 p.m. EDT, Mon June 22, 2009

    WASHINGTON (CNN) -- When people on the government's terrorist watch list have tried to buy guns or explosives in recent years, the government has let them the vast majority of the time.

    Current law doesn't stop firearm or explosives sales to people whose names are on the terrorist watch list.

    That's the finding of a new report by the Government Accountability Office, sent to lawmakers last month and released publicly Monday.

    From February 2004 to February 2009, 963 background checks using the FBI's National Instant Criminal Background Check System "resulted in valid matches with terrorist watch list records; of these matches, approximately 90 percent were allowed to proceed because the checks revealed no prohibiting information," the GAO report says. About 10 percent were denied.

    "Under current law, there is no basis to automatically prohibit a person from possessing firearms or explosives because they appear on the terrorist watch list," wrote the GAO's director of homeland security and justice issues, Eileen R. Larence.

    "Rather, there must be a disqualifying factor (i.e., prohibiting information) pursuant to federal or state law, such as a felony conviction or illegal immigration status."

    Of the 963 background checks, 865 were allowed to proceed, and 98 were denied, the report said.

    The GAO provided the report in response to a request from Sen. Frank Lautenberg, D-New Jersey. The GAO said Lautenberg had requested an update to a 2005 report.

    In a statement Monday, Lautenberg said, "this new report is proof positive that known and suspected terrorists are exploiting a major loophole in our law, threatening our families and our communities. This 'terror gap' has been open too long, and our national security demands that we shut it down."

    The statement said Lautenberg is introducing legislation that would give the U.S. attorney general "authority to stop the sale of guns or explosives to terrorists."


    However, an official with the National Rifle Association, the leading lobbyist group that espouses gun ownership rights, said problems with the terror watch list made a broad prohibition likely to violate the rights of law-abiding citizens.

    "The integrity of the terror watch list is poor, as it mistakenly contains the names of many men and women, including some high-profile Americans, who have not violated the law," said a statement by Chris W. Cox, the NRA chief lobbyist. "In fact, a March 2009 report by the inspector general of the Department of Justice concluded that many people whose names were mistakenly placed on the list remain there even after their cases have been vetted and closed."

    The GAO notes that being on a terrorist watch list does not mean that someone is involved in any terrorist activity.

    Last month, the Justice Department reported that the FBI had kept thousands of names on its watch list based on outdated information and should have removed them.

    http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/06/22/terror.guns/
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    JohnDoe wrote:

    Most terrorist these days are suicide types. Do you really think that a person who is willing to die in the commission of a terrorist act cares if the gun they use is registered to them?
    I don't see anything in your article that identifies those folks on the so-called terrorist watch list as Muslims. Other than the Muslims, I would have to disagree that most terrorist have a death wish.

    Excerpt from the CNN.com article:

    "The integrity of the terror watch list is poor, as it mistakenly contains the names of many men and women, including some high-profile Americans, who have not violated the law," said a statement by Chris W. Cox, the NRA chief lobbyist. "In fact, a March 2009 report by the inspector general of the Department of Justice concluded that many people whose names were mistakenly placed on the list remain there even after their cases have been vetted and closed."

    The GAO notes that being on a terrorist watch list does not mean that someone is involved in any terrorist activity.

    Last month, the Justice Department reported that the FBI had kept thousands of names on its watch list based on outdated information and should have removed them.
    IMO, your concerns are unfounded. Further, Sen. Frank R. Lautenberg (D-NJ) would like nothing better than to stop all of us from owning guns.

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    Under the law, people on the terrorist watch list can be stopped from getting on a plane . . .

    . . . on the list was even permitted to buy more than 50 pounds of explosives! . . .

    http://chattahbox.com/us/2009/06/20/nra ... -buy-guns/
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