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    Why is there so little discussion about natural immunity in the Covid fight?

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    See Our COVID Overlords’ Insane Ignorance of Natural Immunity


    Aug 23, 2021


    "Appearing on Fox News’ “Hannity” to discuss the topic a few weeks ago, Dr. Nicole Saphier called the CDC “myopic.”


    “We have ample data showing that natural immunity provides effectiveness against severe disease from SARS-CoV-2,” she said. “In fact, Israel showed that reinfection following prior infection is about seven times less likely than if you are fully vaccinated. So I find it to be very myopic that the CDC continues to discount the protection of natural immunity. They only do it for SARS-CoV-2. They acknowledge natural immunity for measles, chickenpox, and many other viruses, but they are so myopic right now in trying to encourage vaccination that they are truly actually not following the science.”


    There is something very, very suspicious taking place when an important factor in dealing with the Covid outbreak is given little to no attention.


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    Great news here in Florida . . . COVID deaths and cases fall

    See: Florida COVID Cases Drop Significantly for the First Time Since Delta Surge Began (msn.com)


    "For the week of August 27, there are 129,240 new cases—22,612 fewer than the previous week. This is the first significant drop in new cases in the last 10 weeks. A smaller decrease of 1,222 cases occurred during the week beginning August 13 when compared to the previous week.

    Along with the reported cases, the number of positive COVID-19 cases has dropped to 15.2 percent, compared to 17.1 percent during the week beginning August 20. The number of COVID-related deaths has dropped to fewer than 500 people, compared to the week of August 20 where there were nearly 1,500 deaths.
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    Of course, what is not reported in the article is, Governor Ron DeSantis had the courage and wisdom to start setting up Antibody Treatment Centers around the State a few weeks ago, which appears to have been the game changer in lowering Covid deaths, one of the most important metrics when measuring success in fighting the COVID outbreak as opposed to constantly babbling on and on about the number of reported cases in order to cause hysteria and fear in the community.

    Thank you Governor DeSantis for having the courage and wisdom to turn to the antibody treatment which our Fifth Column, and fearmongering media smirked at, simply because Trump suggested its use.

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    Another study finds Natural immunity may be superior to the COVID jab.

    See: COVID-19 survivors may possess wide-ranging resistance to the disease


    July 22, 2021


    ”Recovered COVID-19 patients retain broad and effective longer-term immunity to the disease, suggests a recent Emory University study, which is the most comprehensive of its kind so far. The findings have implications for expanding understanding about human immune memory as well as future vaccine development for coronaviruses.”


    The article goes on to point out the study suggests “. . . that patients who survived COVID-19 are likely to also possess protective immunity even against some SARS-CoV-2 variants.”


    One this for certain is, we need to pay more attention to natural immunity which is an important factor in dealing with the COVID outbreak.


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    More good news for DeSantis and Florida's fight against the COVID outbreak

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    Florida COVID update:

    Florida COVID hospitalizations down, per hospital association data


    September 3rd 2021

    "The signs continue to point to the fact that COVID-19 hospitalizations have peaked in Florida,” said Mary C. Mayhew, President and CEO, Florida Hospital Association in a statement. “While the total number of hospitalizations remain high and workforce challenges remain, it is encouraging that fewer hospitals are expecting critical staffing and oxygen shortages. As Floridians continue to get vaccinated and with expanded availability of monoclonal antibody treatments for those who test positive, it looks like the worst of this surge may finally be behind us.”

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    And in an earlier article, Sept. 2nd, we find, Mary C. Mayhew,


    “credited Gov. Ron DeSantis‘ frequent promotion of monoclonal antibody treatments, and his efforts to make them widely available in Florida, as among the reasons for recent improvement and for hope that the summer surge may be waning in the Sunshine State.”


    “Mayhew started out on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” show Friday noting Florida has been on the front-end of the nation’s summer surge of COVID-19, with “a dramatic increase in hospitalizations over a seven week period.”___ LINK


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    Good news! Covid deaths on the decline . . . nationwide . . . Thank you DeSantis

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    There is more good news. About two weeks after DeSantis took the lead in Florida and started advocating the antibody treatment, and a number of States then followed his lead, the overall deaths from COVID across the United States began to level out, and are now in the decline!

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    See: Daily confirmed COVID-19 deaths, rolling 7-day average

    Of course, our mainstream media will not give Gov. DeSantis the credit for encouraging other States to start making the antibody treatment widely available to their residents . . . their aim is a 24/7 beat up on DeSantis routine, just like they did with President Trump and their phony Russian collusion crap which turned out to be a big fat lie.

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    Antibody treatment found to be important tool in COVID fight

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    There is no question. The antibody treatment, if administered within the first ten days of COVID infection, is an essential tool in dealing with the COVID outbreak. Get the freaken treatment if you do get infected!

    UPMC study: Monoclonal antibody treatment reduces covid-19 hospitalization, death
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    ”From March through June, UPMC randomly gave either Eli Lilly or Regeneron’s monoclonal antibody treatment to 1,935 covid-19 patents. Initial data, which came before delta was the predominant strain in the country, showed both treatments “performed well in keeping patients with covid-19 alive and out of the hospital,” researchers said. With both treatments, the researchers said very few serious complications arose.”

    The article goes on to point out

    “UPMC hospitals have treated 5,700 covid patients with monoclonal antibodies, including 2,300 in the past month” . . . and . . . “Data show that, with the treatment, 70% of patients who would have otherwise been hospitalized are avoiding inpatient treatment.”


    If infected, don't delay, get the treatment early!

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    New Yorkers: do you enjoy sucking up to COVID vaccine passports?

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    If so see:Harvard Epidemiologist Says the Case for COVID Vaccine Passports Was Just Demolished

    New research found that natural immunity offers exponentially more protection than COVID-19 vaccines.

    Monday, August 30, 2021

    A newly published medical study found that infection from COVID-19 confers considerably longer-lasting and stronger protection against the Delta variant of the virus than vaccines.

    The article goes on to point out . . . “Put another way, vaccinated individuals were 27 times more likely to get a symptomatic COVID infection than those with natural immunity from COVID.”

    If this study’s conclusion is accurate, then those who have been vaccinated and now enjoy NYC’s public accommodations after showing proof of vaccination, the study indicates they are 27 times more likely to be spreading the COVID virus under NYC’s one size fits all No Vax, No Service Mandate, than those having developed natural immunity to the virus and are forbidden to enjoy NYC’s public accommodations.

    Leave it the New York City’s nitwitted leadership to use the iron fist of government to screw over their residents.

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    Biden attacks the unvaccinated, and goes back on his word!

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    Remember when Biden said vaccinations will not be mandatory in the United States?

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    Well, in today’s [9/9/21] prepared announcement, Biden is most certainly making the “vaccine” mandatory wherever he can, and even making it mandatory for countless small businesses across the country.


    He also recklessly made a reference today to the “pandemic of the unvaccinated”, and with reference to the unvaccinated, which is about 80 million Americans, he said, “We’ve been patient, but our patience is wearing thin. And your refusal has cost all of us.”


    It seems perfectly clear that if the vaccine is working, those who are not vaccinated, and especially the millions upon millions who have natural immunity and are COVID free, are not imposing a cost on the vaccinated. As a matter of fact, it now appears those fully vaccinated and have been re-infected and carrying a viral load, are in fact spreading the virus and causing a cost by spreading it.


    So why force those who are not a threat to get the vaccine?


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    President has no power to compel vaccinations.

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    In regard to Biden's intentions to compel vaccinations, Hamilton confirms our federal government is not vested with such an intrusive power!


    “The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce; with which last the power of taxation will, for the most part, be connected.



    The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State." ___ Federalist No. 45



    Additionally, the Tenth Amendment declares:



    The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States, respectively, or to the people.



    Seems very clear to me that King Biden will get his narrow ass kicked in the courts


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    The Biden covid variant pandemic of 2021

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    It is absolutely stunning that Biden when addressing the nation, made the reference that it is a “pandemic of the unvaccinated”, when Biden has allowed illegal aliens to avoid being vaccinated at the border and has been transporting them from the border to America’s interior . . covid infected and all!


    Not only is the Biden Administration releasing covid carrying foreigners into America’s interior, but those released have come from many countries including China, Bangladesh, Turkey, Egypt, Nigeria, Kenya, and various other countries where there are outbreaks of variants of COVID -19, and are now being introduced into our country’s interior because the Biden Administration is intent on filling our country with the world’s poverty stricken, poorly educated, low skilled, diseased, disabled and criminal populations of other countries.



    There is something very, very wrong with this picture, and the American people, and their children, will pay the price for generations to come.


    JWK


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