Thread: Global warming or impending ice age?

A bit long, but well worth the read:

Reprinted from NewsMax.com

Analysis: Al Gore Ducks Northeast Blizzard

Phil Brennan
Thursday, Feb. 15, 2007

As a blizzard of snow and ice pummels the Northeast after trouncing the Midwest, and waves of Arctic cold fronts drop much of America below sub freezing weather, the $64,000 question is, Where is Al Gore?

Gore claims that global warming is an immediate problem facing the United States and the world, and places like New York and Chicago could feel like Caribbean haunts.

If there is any doubt that God has a sense of humor, it has to be dispelled by a headline in Wednesday's Drudge Report: "House hearing on 'warming of the planet' canceled after ice storm."

He followed up with this: "Save it for a sunny day: Maryville Univ. in St. Louis area canceling screening of Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' because of a snowstorm."

What must have evoked the loudest laugh in heaven is the notion that if global warming is really occurring, puny mankind is going to overcome it by legislation and business regulation that would strangle the U.S. economy and be overseen by the super efficient United Nations. [Editor's Note: Read more about how Al Gore and his friends spin and fib about global warming -- Go Here Now.]

In a NewsMax.com column, I made a prediction that was greeted with scorn by the promoters of the global warming theory. One even called me "evil."

Here's what I wrote: "Within the next 24 months, some areas of the U.S. will have 20 feet of snow falling in just one storm." This was around the time parts of Japan got hit by a 13-foot snowfall.

Last month Colorado had about 20 feet of snow fall in little more than a week's time. Now areas of northern New York State are reeling under more than 12 feet of snow.

Picture a person 6 feet tall with 6 feet of snow above the top of his head, and you'll get an idea of what a dozen feet of snow amounts to.

My prediction was based on a very simple fact. Over the past two years, areas of the United States, including New England, had twice experienced rainfall of 20 inches in a single storm.

If 20 inches of precipitation fell as snow, it would total 20 feet.

And there are solid reasons why an area that got hit with 20 inches of rain in the summer and fall would be a prime candidate to experience 20 feet of snow in the winter, especially if levels of precipitation are rising.

And precipitation levels are rising — for a very good reason.

The world's oceans are being heated by underwater tectonic activity — underwater volcanic eruptions and blisteringly hot magma seeping up from cracks in the sea floor.

The heated ocean water creates high levels of CO2 that it sends aloft along with huge amounts of moisture. That moisture becomes precipitation — rain in the spring, summer, and fall, and snow in the winter. Increased amounts of moisture in the upper atmosphere equals increased amounts of precipitation.

The hotter the oceans, the more water vapor sent heavenward and the heavier the precipitation. This explains the large number of record-breaking rainfalls we've been seeing in the past couple of years — with as noted above, areas of the United States getting 20 inches of rain in a day or so.

As for that dreaded greenhouse gas, CO2, atmospheric levels of which now exceed 400 parts per million (ppm), it is important to note that paleological records show that every time CO2 levels have exceeded 300 ppm there has been an ice age. Every time — without exception.

The same records show that there have been a series of ice ages over the past 5 million years, naturally occurring every 100,000 years, with about 90,000 years of glaciation followed by about 12,000 years of interglacial climate.

The last ice age ended about 12,000 years ago. Clearly we are in line for the next period of glaciation. But more about that later.

Suffice it to say that unless Al Gore has managed to repeal a demonstrated law of nature, the iceman cometh.

The befuddled Gore keeps blathering about how the oceans are being heated by global warming, instead of the warming being created by the oceans, as the facts clearly show.

On his Web site iceagenow.com, Robert W. Felix provides the following information about ocean warming as a result of hydrothermic activity under the seas.

# "A new type of volcano may be heating up the floor of the western Pacific Ocean," says an article posted on National Geographic News and on Yahoo. "Scientists suspect the new volcanoes occur at cracks in tectonic plates caused by stress as the plates slide past each other. A group of small volcanoes called petit spot volcanoes has been discovered far from the tectonic-plate boundaries (like mid-oceanic ridges) that often spawn volcanoes, earthquakes, and other geologic activity.

"Geoscientist Naoto Hirano's team believes that the source of these volcanoes is melted rock from the upper mantle, which has been squeezed through cracks in the tectonic plate above. This type of [activity produces] tiny volcanoes, possibly now active, on the old, cold subducting Pacific plate,' said Hirano from his office at the Scripps Institution of Oceanography in La Jolla, California. 'This petit spot volcano theory suggests that this type of eruption can occur wherever the oceanic plate is flexed. These small volcanoes may be widespread on ocean floors where the mantle just under the crust is squeezed out by tectonic forces when one plate moves under another, the researchers explained.

"'Dubbed "petit spots," these new types of volcanoes are difficult to spot using satellite technology. Specific geophysical and sampling expeditions would have to be carried out in order to locate them,' Hirano explained."

# Scientists working in the southern Atlantic Ocean have found a 407 degree centigrade hydrothermal vent, the hottest yet known on an ocean floor. Expedition leader Andrea Koschinsky of International University in Bremen, Germany, and her team found the hydrothermal vent just south of the equator on the Mid-Atlantic Ridge at a depth of 2,990 meters. The vent is located on the Mid-Atlantic Ridge, where the African and South American continental plates are moving apart at the relatively sedate rate of 3.2 centimeter a year. In the Pacific, by comparison, the Pacific and Nazca plates are speeding apart at some 15 centimeter per year.

# German-American researchers discovered more hydrothermal activity at the Gakkel Ridge in the Arctic Ocean than anyone ever imagined. The Gakkel ridge is a gigantic volcanic mountain chain stretching beneath the Arctic Ocean. With its deep valleys 5,500 meters beneath the sea surface and its 5,000 meter- high summits, Gakkel ridge is far mightier than the Alps. Two research icebreakers, the USCGC Healy from the United States and the German PFS Polarstern, joined forces in the international expedition AMORE (Arctic Mid-Ocean Ridge Expedition). In attendance were scientists from the Max Planck Institute for Chemistry and other international institutions.

The scientists had expected that the Gakkel ridge would exhibit "anemic" magmatism. Instead, they found "surprisingly strong magmatic activity in the west and the east of the ridge and one of the strongest hydrothermal activities ever seen at mid-ocean ridges." The Gakkel ridge extends about 1,800 kilometers beneath the Arctic Ocean from north of Greenland to Siberia, and is the northernmost portion of the mid-ocean ridge system. To their surprise, the researchers found high levels of volcanic activity. Indeed, magmatism was "dramatically" higher than expected.

Hydrothermal hot springs on the seafloor were also far more abundant than predicted. "We expected this to be a hydrothermally dead ridge, and almost every time our water measurement instrument came up, they showed evidence of hydrothermal activity, and once we even 'saw' an active hot spring on the sea floor," said Dr. Jonathan Snow, the leader of the research group from the Max Planck Institute.

Remember, that "magmatism" is red hot magma seeping up from the ocean floor. It's like putting a burner under a pot of water.

In short, heated oceans are warming the globe and setting up a scenario that includes among its consequences more and increasingly violent hurricanes, tornadoes, and blizzards.

In 1979, Genevieve Woillard, a pollen specialist in France, concluded from detailed studies that the shift from a warm, interglacial climate to ice age conditions at the beginning of the last ice age, some 100,000 years ago, took "less than 20 years." Her observations of the decline of European forests led her to conclude we may be in a similar period of rapid climatic change.

Research has shown that this 20-year period is one in which Mother Nature wreaks havoc on humanity.

If the unchallenged results of the work of Woillard and others who studied past ice ages are any indication of the pace of glaciation, once it starts, the transition period is a mere 20 years or so. And we may be well into that 20-year period now. Woillard estimated that the period before that final 20 years — when the earth began gearing up for an end to the interglacial period — could be as long as 150 years and as short as 75 years."

According to Woillard's studies and those of other paleological climate researchers, the transition between interglacial and glacial periods is one of increasing violence — more volcanic eruptions, storms, earthquakes, and other natural disasters.

We are being bombarded with horror stories about how the arctic regions are warming and the polar bears are disappearing (actually their number numbers have increased by some 20,000) but we are not informed by Mr. Gore and his acolytes as to how a warming arctic region can continue to send more and more record breaking cold waves southward, creating the incredibly frigid weather much of the northern U.S. is shivering under.

If your refrigerator is running low on freon it will not keep its contents cold. If the arctic is our refrigerator, and the refrigerator is rapidly running out of coolant, how can it create colder and colder weather fronts?

The mechanics here are simple. The earth is getting warmer in some areas thanks to the heat being given off by the seas – picture standing next to a pot of boiling water – you'll feel the heat. Stand next to a heated ocean and you'll feel the warmth. That melting ice in part of the arctic regions is probably the result of hydrothermal activity in the Gakkel Ridge under the Arctic Ocean.

When that warm air coming north from the tropics meets the frigid air coming south from the pole, it creates violence. And the hotter the air from the south and the colder the air from the north, the more violent the collision will be. Tornadoes, violent storms, and blizzards are some of the results.

This process feeds on itself. As the amount of atmospheric moisture increases more precipitation is sent poleward, resulting in more snowfall to build heavier and heavier polar ice packs which fail to decrease in summertime because the cloud cover created by the moisture-laden air transported from the tropics prevents any thawing.

As the ice packs grow deeper and heavier, more magma is squeezed out and sent toward the equators, creating more volcanic activity, which spews more and more volcanic ash into the upper atmosphere, along with enormous quantities of greenhouse gasses. This results in greater and greater amounts of moisture-laden clouds being sent poleward. And so on.

As the glaciation process continues, winters will get longer and longer; that's colder air reaches farther and farther toward the equator. Summers will get shorter and shorter, and growing seasons will slowly vanish.

Areas previously blessed with temperate climates are transformed into subarctic regions, and the subtropics turn colder and colder.

And all this can happen in a matter of a very few years. So few, that the world may very well learn that the interglacial period has been replaced by the glaciation process before the end of the next decade — or even earlier.

On his Web site, Bob Felix cites facts ignored or lied about by the global warming alarmists. He shows that despite their claims that the worlds glaciers are melting, fully 75 percent are actually growing.

In response to claims that oceans levels are rising and threatening to drown New York City, he shows they are actually falling.

Finally, what mankind faces now is not glaciation burying cities under miles of ice – that's tens of thousands of years away. In our immediate future is the beginning of the process which starts with a bang – that 20-year interim period I think the record shows we are now experiencing. The effects will be more or less immediate, and there is nothing we can do to stop it. If I'm correct in all of this, we'll know it over the next couple of years.

As for the current media fed hysteria, let me finish with this: Vaclav Klaus, President of the Czech Republic, told the publication "Hospodárské noviny," a Czech economics daily, that "Global warming is a false myth and every serious person and scientist says so. It is not fair to refer to the U.N. panel. IPCC is not a scientific institution; it's a political body, a sort of non-government organization of green flavor."

"Other top-level politicians do not express their global warming doubts because a whip of political correctness strangles their voice."

[Editor's Note: Read more about how Al Gore and his friends spin and fib about global warming -- Go Here Now.]

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Editor's Note: Read more about how Al Gore and his friends spin and fib about global warming

Good article CG. I found another interesting one on HumanEvents regarding global warming.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=19404
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=19405
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=19406
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=19438

First off, how can anyone believe Al Gore? Remember this is the same guy WHO CLAIMED TO INVENT THE INTERNET.

Anyway, I like how Comedian George Carlin talks about glogal warming. He mentions that man is very arrogant to think that in less than 300 years of industrialization, we've practically killed the planet when its been proven the earth is around 5 billion years old, and has survived fierce solar winds, solar radiation storms, magnetic storms, large asteroid hits, etc.
Make no mistake, I believe all the pollution is not helping our environment, but I don't believe its doing the damage they claim it is.
Isn't this group of environmentatlists the same group who claimed that cow farts are also contributing to the o-zone destruction?

In my neck of the woods, we have been spoiled by unnaturally mild winters for nearly a decade (Colorado). The summers have gotten hotter and drier as to rain, but more muggy which is being blamed on all the sprinklers due to urban sprawl. There are definitely more mosquitos. But this winter, I moved up to the mountains (7500 feet) and around labor day it froze. It's been cold and icy ever since all over the eastern slope. A decidedly more normal winter, if a bit early. I hope the traditional summer weather pattern of a short rain every afternoon also returns.

Isn't this group of environmentatlists the same group who claimed that cow farts are also contributing to the o-zone destruction?

not only that, they're the same breed (and the same individuals in some cases) that proclaimed that we were on the verge of a man-made ice age just thirty years ago. According to that prediction, our Northern Tier should already be in the permafrost zone. I wish I could find a copy of that Newsweek issue that proclaimed the coming ice age, but get a load of the article itself:

http://denisdutton.com/newsweek_coolingworld.pdf

Replace "cooling" with "warming" and you will instantly recognize the brand of alarmism used by our current crop of pseudo-scientists.

It was 26 degrees here in the high desert of sunny Ca. this am.

Originally Posted by MountainDog

It was 26 degrees here in the high desert of sunny Ca. this am.

We were about the same here in Dallas.

Originally Posted by CrocketsGhost

Originally Posted by MountainDog

It was 26 degrees here in the high desert of sunny Ca. this am.

We were about the same here in Dallas.

Well guys.........I've officially turned into an ICECUBE up here.
It's zero and dropping. With the wind, well you get the idea.

GORE - you idiot.

Originally Posted by CrocketsGhost

Originally Posted by MountainDog

It was 26 degrees here in the high desert of sunny Ca. this am.

We were about the same here in Dallas.

Ouch! It was 26 in CA and TX? yikes, that's cold.
Crock, I do remember reading another article on how they were almost predicting another ice age 30 years ago.
IMO, I'm convinced that many of the best scientists can't explain why the earth does what it does, and I'm going to truse these guys before I trust Al Gore!
I'm not discrediting scientists by any means, but even with all that science has discovered about the Earth, there's still so much more they can't explain.
I've read articles that also state we're in the middle of the Earth's poles changing polarity, and that this can also cause some havoc on the weather patterns.

Originally Posted by 2ndamendsis

Originally Posted by CrocketsGhost

Originally Posted by MountainDog

It was 26 degrees here in the high desert of sunny Ca. this am.

We were about the same here in Dallas.

Well guys.........I've officially turned into an ICECUBE up here.
It's zero and dropping. With the wind, well you get the idea.

GORE - you idiot.

It's all the way up to 34 now in Dallas (3pm), but this weekend is supposed to warm back up to the 60s.

What you have to understand about Gore is that you are exactly right. He's an idiot. He managed to get where he is because of his daddy and his mentor, Armand Hammer, but he himself has accomplished precious little. So when his handlers give him a crusade, his inferiority complex (the same one that leads him to lie about things like creating the internet) compels him to accept the nonsense provided as gospel and to promote it it with almost religious zeal. The quest defines him as a man and offers him the one chance to be something beyond a footnote in American history like John Breckinridge, William Wheeler, Levi Morton or any of the other former VPs whose names most Americans could not conjure up if their lives depended on it. And like a religious zealot on a crusade, the truth is far less important than the dogma, which must not be questioned. Those who offer contrary facts are heretics and are treated as such.

I'm with you guys. You can put me in the skeptical column.