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    New York State Population Shrinking

    Census Data: NYC Population Continues to Grow, but NYS Population Shrinking

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    Thursday, March 26, 2015

    Census Data: NYC Population Continues to Grow, but Upstate Population Shrinking

    By Bobby Cuza
    Updated Thursday, March 26, 2015 at 06:20 AM EDT




    New data released Thursday by the U.S. Census does not bode well for New York, which continues to lag behind other states when it comes to population growth, though immigrants continue to drive growth here in the city. Bobby Cuza filed the following report.

    Call it a tale of two states: economically struggling upstate New York, which continues to lose population, and downstate – specifically, New York City – which continues to grow.


    New census data released Thursday show that 43 of New York's counties saw population decline from 2013 to 2014, all of them upstate. Just 19 counties saw an increase. Three of them were among the top 50 nationwide in population gain, all of them New York City boroughs: Brooklyn, which grew by more than 19,000 people; Queens, which added more than 17,000; and the Bronx, nearly 11,000. Manhattan had the fourth-highest growth.


    "There's a lot more births than deaths in the city, and that's less so upstate. And in fact, there's some counties upstate where there's more deaths than births, which means that people – there are not very many younger people there," said Andrew Beveridge, a sociology professor at Queens College.

    "And then the other big thing, of course, is immigrants."


    "We see that a lot of the growth is due to international migration, so people coming from other countries to the United States, as opposed to domestic migration," said Yesenia Acosta, a demographer with the U.S. Census Bureau.


    Indeed, while data now show the city at a record of nearly 8.5 million people, with the greater metro area at about 20.1 million, largest in the nation, over the last four years, domestic migration – people relocating within the U.S. – was a net loss of about 529,000 people, while the area gained about 600,000 international immigrants.


    "New York has always had a massive diversity in its immigrants. They have immigrants from Africa, the Caribbean, from Europe," Beveridge said. "Right now, there’s been an influx recently of Greek immigrants, because of the Greek financial problem."


    As for political implications, with more people concentrated in liberal-leaning urban areas, it could become increasingly difficult for Republicans to maintain control of the state Senate, while in Congress, New York - which recently dropped behind Florida and is now the fourth-most populous state - could continue to lose seats when they're re-apportioned after the 2020 census.

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    Population down in 35 Wisconsin counties

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    MILWAUKEE (AP) — New census figures show the population fell in nearly half of Wisconsin's 72 counties.

    The population estimates released Thursday by the U.S. Census Bureau show 35 counties lost people from 2013 to 2014. It continues a trend of dropping populations in rural counties that's due mainly to residents moving out.


    Manitowoc County lost 463 people during in the time measured, the largest decline among counties. Next was Wood County with a decline of 336 people, followed by Adams County's loss of 289 people.


    Overall, the population in 37 counties grew slightly. The Journal Sentinel (http://bit.ly/1CdcjMf ) reports Wisconsin as a whole gained approximately 14,600 people from 2013 to 2014 for a total population of about 5.76 million. Since 2010, the state's population has risen 1.2 percent.


    Dane County, home to Madison, had the widest margin of growth from 2013 to 2014, gaining about 6,200 people. It has grown by 5.6 percent since 2010.


    Menominee County showed the fastest growth rate from 2013 to 2014 at 3.2 percent.


    Milwaukee County's population rose by just 20 people in that timeframe, a slowdown from recent years. Counties neighboring Milwaukee saw somewhat more population growth.


    The Milwaukee metropolitan area's population grew by roughly 2,100 people from 2013 to 2014, and it ranked 39th among all U.S. metro areas. But it was 45th out of 53 metro areas in terms of growth, behind St. Louis, Cincinnati and Kansas City, but ahead of Chicago, Detroit and Cleveland.

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    Information from: Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, http://www.jsonline.com

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    When Americans leave a state it's because they had to in order to find work whether it's new young people looking for their first full time job or a mature worker who lost their job and leave to look for work elsewhere. There will always be an ebb and flow between cities, counties and states, that's why having lots of good jobs in your states and counties is so beneficial, and why the loss of so much industry, especially satellite facilities in small rural areas were key to these counties maintaining a sustainable population. But the fact is, when there are no jobs, you want the people to move on and find work elsewhere because otherwise you're left with poverty and the cost to sustain it.

    There's been this huge misnomer about "population growth". It's not a natural human goal, it's a concocted goal by governments that want more housing units so they can collect more taxes. Population growth without more industry to sustain it is devastating, and something you do not want in your city, county, state or nation. What most Americans want is economic development, more industry that creates good jobs with good payrolls and benefits, because for every manufacturing job created 6 more are created in the economy, a 6 to 1 ratio, from the spin-off effect of industrial development.

    If policies have run the manufacturers out of the country, like free trade treason and the infernal income tax have done, then the natural human goal is to reduce population in the affected areas. At this point, those affected areas impact the whole country, so we should be reducing population, not expanding it. Otherwise, you're not growing the economy, you're growing poverty and the public spending required to sustain people with no jobs or jobs that don't sustain them which grows taxes or public debt or a combination of both.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy View Post
    When Americans leave a state it's because they had to in order to find work . . .
    OR, they got tired of all of the snow.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy View Post
    When Americans leave a state it's because they had to in order to find work . . .
    Or they retired and moved to Florida.
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    United Van Lines' Annual National Movers Study shows top inbound and outbound states of the year and reveals Oregon as the No. 1 moving destination in 2014
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    The States People Are Fleeing In 2014

    The Top 9 States People Are Fleeing In 2014
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    1. New Jersey


    Trenton in a winter storm
    % of people moving out compared to people moving in: 64%




    2. Illinois

    Chicago in winter
    % of people moving out compared to people moving in: 61%




    3. New York

    The Manhattan Bridge with the Empire State Building in the background
    % of people moving out compared to people moving in: 61%




    4. West Virginia

    % of people moving out compared to people moving in: 60%




    5. Connecticut

    Hartford
    % of people moving out compared to people moving in: 59%




    6. Utah

    Logan, UT
    % of people moving out compared to people moving in: 58%




    7. Kentucky

    Louisville
    % of people moving out compared to people moving in: 56%




    8. Massachusetts.

    Worcester.
    % of people moving out compared to people moving in: 56%




    9. New Mexico

    % of people moving out compared to people moving in: 55%

    More people are moving out of New Jersey than are moving in.

    The same is true for Illinois and New York. Those three states top the “outbound” list compiled by United Van Lines, the big St. Louis-based moving company that has put together an annual survey of where Americans are moving for the last 37 years. The company analyzed a total of 125,000 moves across the 48 continental states and the District of Columbia in 2013 and came up with a picture of migration patterns across the U.S.


    According to Professor Michael Stoll, chair of the Department of Public Policy at the University of California, Los Angeles, and a consultant to United Van Lines who studies American migration, the moves reflect long-term shifts in the U.S. economy and the hit to employment in many states resulting from the slow recovery.


    Of the top nine states where more people moved out than moved in, four are in the Northeast: In addition to New Jersey and New York, Connecticut (No. 5) and Massachusetts (No. 8) make the list. The list also reflects Americans’ desire to leave the frigid states in the north for warmer climes. “Over the last 20-30 years there has been a general shift of the population from the Midwest and Northeast to the South and West, which we think of as a move from the frost belt to the sun belt,” says Stoll.


    New Jersey has been stuck at the top of the outbound list for three of the past four years. Some 64% more people moved out than moved in. According to Stoll, Great Recession hit the state especially hard, accelerating a longtime shift of manufacturing to the southern states, away from the Northeast. “New Jersey has been reliant for many decades on manufacturing and industry,” he says. “It’s been slow to adapt to new economies where most of the job gains are being found, like technology.”

    Also because the northern part of the state is tied to the economy of the New York City metropolitan area, housing prices tend to run high in response to demand. Income and property taxes are also high in the state, though Stoll says it’s not clear that taxes prompt people to move, since low-income-tax states typically have higher property taxes and higher sales tax.


    I’m not surprised that people are leaving New York. The average rental price in the city for a one-bedroom, excluding Staten Island, is $3,000, according to a recent Daily News report, more than three times the national average of $1,100. Despite the post-recession recovery of the financial industry and the tech jobs created by Silicon Alley, it’s still a stretch for many people to afford their rent, though of course Mayor Bill de Blasio wants to change all that. I like the new mayor but I’m not holding my breath.


    Illinois, No. 2 on the list, with 61% more people moving out than in, has a depressing story to tell. Stoll says that over time the state has lost a third of its manufacturing jobs and a quarter of its jobs in construction, and a significant proportion of its unemployed have been out of work for the long term, so the real employment rate there is much higher than the relatively high official figure of 8.9% rate suggests. The Labor Department stops counting people as unemployed when they have given up looking for work or they take a part-time job that doesn’t pay the rent.


    A few states on the moving-out list that mystify Stoll: West Virginia at No. 4 (60% more moved out) Utah at No. 6, (58%), and Kentucky at No. 7 (56%). “There are very big question marks about why people are leaving these states,” he says, since housing prices are stable, the economy is diversified and wasn’t hit as hard as in the Northeast and Midwest. “This could be a one-year blip,” he says.


    Another surprising state on the top 10: New Mexico, where the climate is good, economic growth has been stable to strong, housing prices are reasonable and there are plenty of great outdoor activities, including skiing and hiking and beautiful topography. But Stoll says that the government sequester likely dealt a blow to New Mexican jobs, since three of the largest federal-fund-reliant national laboratories are there, including Los Alamos. “There has been a tremendous loss in federal employment with the freezing and cutting of the federal budget,” he notes.


    Where are all the fleeing people moving? Oregon is at the top of the moving-in list, with 61% more coming than going. Stoll chalks this up in part to folks leaving the more populous neighboring state of California, where housing costs are relatively high. “Oregon is gaining both older and younger people,” he says. Ironically, the data on employment for young people is not great. Unemployment in the state is 7.7%, more than a point higher than the national rate of 6.6%. But in California the rate is even higher at 8.7%. Also people just see Oregon as cool. “It has walkable neighborhoods, public transit, cool places to eat,” he notes. “It’s a big magnet for young people who want that kind of lifestyle.”


    What will 2014 bring in terms of migration? Stoll predicts that New Mexico will move off of the out-migration list and despite its perpetual water problems and current drastic drought, more people will move to the Golden State. Though California was beset with rafts of foreclosures, Stoll believes it is on an upward trajectory. “The California economy is recovering fairly quickly,” he says. The cost of living is high but jobs pay well there. Expect it to move up.” I grew up there so I can vouch for the stunning natural beauty, especially around San Francisco, Big Sur, and the Sierra Nevada Mountains, and I’ve yet to explore many of the national and state parks. If I didn’t have my rent-stabilized apartment on the Upper West Side, a community of wonderful friends, a job I like in the city (though you may have heard, Forbes is moving to Jersey City at year’s end) and my kid in a great public school, I might be calling United Van Lines and planning a move.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/susanada...eeing-in-2014/

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