Thread: Obama's mother's family owned black slaves

what is interesting is that People are Voting for him because he represents Change.
okay , on his mother's side he is descended from white slavers.
on his father's side from Kenyan Muslims who were both tribalists and who castrated their women.
He is also against owning guns. He thinks the minutemen are vigilantists, yet his grandfather sided with the communists in Cuba.

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A new twist to an intriguing family history
Census records, genealogical research show forebears of Obama's mother had slaves
By David Nitkin and Harry Merritt | Sun Reporters
March 2, 2007
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Digg Del.icio.us Facebook Fark Google Newsvine Reddit Yahoo Print Single page view Reprints Post comment Text size: WASHINGTON - Many people know that Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama's father was from Kenya and his mother from Kansas.

But an intriguing sliver of his family history has received almost no attention until now: It appears that forebears of his white mother owned slaves, according to genealogical research and census records.

The records - which had never been addressed publicly by the Illinois senator or his relatives - were first noted in an ancestry report compiled by William Addams Reitwiesner, who works at the Library of Congress and practices genealogy in his spare time. The report, on Reitwiesner's Web site, carries a disclaimer that it is a "first draft" - one likely to be examined more closely if Obama is nominated.




According to the research, one of Obama's great-great-great-great grandfathers, George Washington Overall, owned two slaves who were recorded in the 1850 census in Nelson County, Ky. The same records show that one of Obama's great-great-great-great-great-grandmothers, Mary Duvall, also owned two slaves.

The Sun retraced much of Reitwiesner's work, using census information available on the Web site ancestry.com and documents retrieved by the Kentucky Department for Libraries and Archives, among other sources. The records show that Overall, then 30, owned a 15-year-old black female and a 25-year-old black male, while Mary Duvall, his mother-in-law, owned a 60-year-old black man and a 58-year-old black woman. (Slaves are listed in the 1850 census by owner, age, "sex," and "colour," not by name.)

An Obama spokesman did not dispute the information and said that the senator's ancestors "are representative of America."

"While a relative owned slaves, another fought for the Union in the Civil War," campaign spokesman Bill Burton said last night. "And it is a true measure of progress that the descendant of a slave owner would come to marry a student from Kenya and produce a son who would grow up to be a candidate for president of the United States."

The research traces the Duvalls to Mareen Duvall, a major land owner in Anne Arundel County in the 1600s. The inventory of his estate in 1694 names 18 slaves, according to a family history published in 1952.

The records could add a new dimension to questions by some who have asked whether Obama - who was raised in East Asia and Hawaii and educated at Columbia and Harvard - is attuned to the struggles of American blacks descended from West African slaves.

"The twist is very interesting," said Ronald Walters, a political scientist who is director of the African-American Leadership Institute at the University of Maryland, College Park. "It deepens his connection with the experience of slavery, even if it deepens it on a different side of the equation."

Gary Boyd Roberts, a senior research scholar at the New England Historic Genealogical Society who published a book on the family lineage of presidents, said he did not think the slave-holding history was "particularly unusual."

"If you have a white Southern mother, or a mother from the middle states who has ancestry in the South, it doesn't strike me that that should be very surprising," he said. While the majority of such families did not own slaves, many with some wealth did, Roberts said.

Reitwiesner's research identifies two other presidential candidates, Republican Sen. John McCain of Arizona and former Democratic Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina, as descendants of slave owners. Three of McCain's great-great-grandfathers in Mississippi owned slaves, including one who owned 52 in 1860. Two ancestors of Edwards owned one slave each in Georgia in 1860.

It was unclear last night whether Obama was aware of any slave-holding ancestors, but he makes no mention of them in his 1995 memoir, Dreams from My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance.

The book contains many approving references to his mother's side of the family. At one point, he writes that his mother "could give voice to the virtues of her midwestern past and offer them up in distilled form."

The memoir, however, comes close to confirming the Overall-Duvall lineage - stopping a generation short. Census and other records complete the gaps.

In a reference to his American ancestry, Obama writes "while one of my great-great-grandfathers, Christopher Columbus Clark, had been a decorated Union soldier, his wife's mother was rumored to have been a second cousin of Jefferson Davis, president of the Confederacy."

Clark was actually Obama's great-great-great-grandfather, according to Reitwiesner's research and census data available at ancestry.com. A 1930 census document lists Clark, 84, living in the same El Dorado City, Kan., household as a 12-year-old great-grandson, Stanley A. Dunham. Dunham was Obama's grandfather.

Clark's wife, Susan, was the daughter of George Washington Overall, the latest known family slave owner.

Reitwiesner, the researcher, declined to be interviewed for this article. "I'll let my Web page [wargs.com] speak for itself," he said in an e-mail. The Obama report contains a disclaimer that appears on all of Reitwiesner's work: "The following material ... should not be considered either exhaustive or authoritative, but rather as a first draft."



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Interesting.

I wonder how he feels about this, combined with the fact that he's a distant relative of Dick Cheney?

maybe this would explain the drugs?
( I think Cheney would be the last straw)

I am not an Obama supporter but I do follow with the belief that you should be judged by your own actions and not of what your ancestors did. That's like blaming all whites for a few slave owners.....even when it was a common worldwide practice done by every race of people. I think he's got enough going against him without drudging the ancient family history archives for dirt.

Originally Posted by crazybird

I am not an Obama supporter but I do follow with the belief that you should be judged by your own actions and not of what your ancestors did. That's like blaming all whites for a few slave owners.....even when it was a common worldwide practice done by every race of people. I think he's got enough going against him without drudging the ancient family history archives for dirt.

ITA, but then we always do don't we Crazybird?

Originally Posted by crazybird

I am not an Obama supporter but I do follow with the belief that you should be judged by your own actions and not of what your ancestors did. That's like blaming all whites for a few slave owners.....even when it was a common worldwide practice done by every race of people. I think he's got enough going against him without drudging the ancient family history archives for dirt.

Crazybird, I didn't interpret the article as judging or blaming Obama for anything his ancestors did. I viewed it as just another news article on another candidate. If he was found to be related to Abe Lincoln that would make the news also. My own ancestors were no different than his, but I don't consider the sins of my fathers dirt against me.

I couldn't help but add the ironic fact that he is a distant relative of Cheney. I do find that a bit humorous, as I'm sure Obama himself does.

I don't think the post was meant to be mean or demeaning to him. I agree with your belief that we shouldn't be judged for our ancestors' actions, as I'm sure the original poster does.

Sorry.....guess I've spent too much time on other sites with the ancient history stuff that I'm ultra touchy even when I don't support the person.

crazy bird- I really don't care if his ancestors owned slaves
I think it's a hoot that he had an ancestor named Overall.
Mr bib jeans and overalls. It's so kansas and Dorothy.
what I do resent is the king's X he has going for him.
white slave owners ?kansas ? cheney?
then all he has to do is step on the Kenyan blackman muslim X
when that X gets too hot , he brings out pics of him w-- mom.
not fair. but when was politics every sane or fair?

LOL.....it is funny.....buy I can't laugh....I got relatives named Turnipseed!

That's why I'm not president.

Damn - that's a good name. I mean for a novel. It must have been hard
for them-