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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy View Post
    The income tax is unAmerican and evil socialist sloth. It needs to be repealed and replaced with a national sales tax on new retail goods and services.

    A national sales tax does not encourage each State's Congressional Delegation to end reckless spending. Our Founder's original tax plan does.


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    "Reckless" spending is an entirely different issue, however, the FairTax actually has numerous stop gaps to discourage spending on population issues such as the Rebate for example. If you want to control the cost of the Rebate, you control the population which encourages REDUCING legal immigration. If you want to control the cost of the Social Security and Medicare portion of the tax rate, you REDUCE the number of people eligible for it by REDUCING legal immigration. If you want to control the cost of the Medicaid portion of the tax rate, you REDUCE the number of people eligible for it by REDUCING legal immigration and removing illegal aliens and their anchor babies from our country. If you want to reduce the general revenue rate, then you reduce the discretionary spending it pays for such as food stamps, free school lunch, WIC, TANF, AFDC, crime, education, subsidized health care like Obamacare, etc., etc., you REDUCE the number of people eligible for these programs by REDUCING legal immigration and ELIMINATING illegal immigration by deporting illegal aliens and deporting/removing all their minor offspring from our country.

    Plus for the time since the income tax was paid, you'll actually have all the business lobbies on the same side with the people for a change, because they think that sales taxes hurt their own revenues, so they want lower sales tax rates. It would nice to have our businesses and employers all on the same side with the people for a change, wouldn't it? With the FairTax, government can't divide and conquer US, that fact is worth trillions to the American Worker and our Employers and Businesses.
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    All you need to know about the so-called fair tax plan:

    http://fairtaxfraud.com/fair.asp
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    This same kind of “tax reform” has happened a number of times during my life time, the last time being under President Reagan. When the Washington Sewer Rats realize the American People are getting sick and tired of the corrupt taxing “code” and how it is destroying America from within, our Congress critters back off with an illusion of “tax reform” which cleverly keeps the notoriously evil income tax alive and available to Congress to slowly re-create the same miseries which aroused the people into wanting “tax reform” in the first place.

    How many freaken times must dim wits in America go through the same kabuki dance under tax reform to realize the problem is the freaken income tax which Congress uses to carry out its evil doings generation after generation?

    When will the American people realize that repeating the same action over and over [tax reform which keeps the income tax alive] will never yield a different result?

    The worm at the root of the rotten tree is in fact our nation’s love affair with the communist, socialist, progressive inspired incometax.

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    College tuition is tax exempt under the FairTax. It's considered a cost of labor and thus a cost of production instead of a consumption and thus tax exempt.
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    Trump's tax plan will help, but does not end the cause of our tax sufferings

    I could be very cynical and say, ever since the communist/socialist/progressive 16th Amendment was adopted, it seems that every 20 to 25 years or so tax “reform” becomes a very real issue because the people begin to realize how oppressive, discriminatory and screwed up the federal income tax system has become. And it becomes so messed up because our scheming Congress critters over this span of years, has used the system to sell discriminatory tax breaks in return for political campaign contribution; has used the system to reward friends and feather their own nests, not to mention how Congress uses “income taxation” to buy the votes of our nations hard working wage earners by promising to increase special exemptions and to lower a tax on their earn wages which ought never have been taxed from the beginning!

    This somewhat summarizes the repeated cycle since the adoption of the notoriously evil “income tax” and especially the direct un-apportioned tax on working peoples earned wages which began under the unconstitutional, rope-a-dope “Temporary Victory Tax” of 1943 ___ an alleged temporary direct tax on working people’s earned wages to fund the war effort. And this “Temporary Tax” completed Congress’ lust for a totalitarian tax system designed by communists, socialists, and progressives which is now used to subvert our founders’ intended free market system and is used by our Washington Swamp creatures to not only manipulate our economy, but also used for a number of nefarious purposes.

    And what did one of our forefathers say with regard to an unbridled direct tax? See Representative Williams during a debate on Direct Taxes on January 18th, 1797:

    "History, Mr. Williams said, informed them of the annihilation of nations by means of direct taxation. He referred gentlemen to the situation of the Roman Empire in its innocence, and asked them whether they had any direct taxes? No. Indirect taxes and taxes upon luxuries and spices from the Indies were their sources of revenue; but, as soon as they changed their system to direct taxation, it operated to their ruin; their children were sold as slaves, and the Empire fell from its splendor. Shall we then follow this system? He trusted not."

    There is no question in my mind that the tax plan which Trump has signed will help improve the economy and provide much needed tax relief. But as I have said before, the worm at the root of the rotted tree is in fact the communist, socialist, progressive tax calculated from profits, gains, tips, wages and other lawfully earned incomes, a system of taxation which not only allows Congress to engage in activities destructive to our nation’s common defense and general welfare, but actually encourages and entices members of Congress to use the system for their personal political gains. Must we go through the same misery every 20 or 30 years without identifying the cause of our sufferings?

    Is it not time to discuss the merits, wisdom and brilliance of returning to our founder’s original tax plan which can be accomplished by adopting the Fair Share Balanced Budget Amendment ___ a tax plan designed by our Founders to control and regulate Congress actions?


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    I heard on Fox News this morning that the promise of tax simplification has gone by the wayside. As long as we have the communist/socialist/progressive income tax, the promise of tax simplification is dead on arrival, and Paul Ryan along with Brady knew this from the very beginning.

    Our Washington Sewer Rats will cling, with all their life, to the communist/socialist/progressive income tax which they use to spread the wealth which is created by labor, business and investors.


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    Everyone knew this from the beginning. There's only 2 choices, 1) repeal the income tax and replace it with something else that's better or 2) keep it and tweak it. There was no consensus on a replacement for 1), so you got 2) by default.

    It's better than it was. More people can now file using the short form without losing any money. Rates are lower across the board, so this bill helps all taxpayers except a few rich people in high-tax states, so that's a march in the right direction, and as the economy improves, I would expect Congress will increase the SALT deduction in future years to help them.

    Brady supports the FairTax, he's a Co-Sponsor of that bill, so when the country is ready for it or something similar to it, and we have more Senators to pass it, then he'll gladly push it through. But we just don't have enough Republican Senators to do that right now and unfortunately there's still a lot of people like yourself who don't like consumption taxes like the FairTax, so Republicans can't even do it through the reconciliation process with the slim Senate majority we do have.

    Also, income taxes do not pay for welfare and haven't for decades. Income taxes aren't used for redistribution of wealth any more, debt is used to underwrite welfare programs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy View Post



    Brady supports the FairTax,
    Of course he does. He knows it does not attempt to end Congress' power to lay and collect taxes calculated from profits, gains and other lawfully earned incomes and it establishes two new taxes.

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