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    The FairTax repeals the income tax code in its entirety and replaces it with a national retail sales tax on consumption. It does not repeal the 16th Amendment, because that needs to be separate legislation, but calls for passage of that repeal legislation by the States within 7 years from passage of the FairTax legislation.

    Under the FairTax, no profits are taxed, no gains are taxed and no income, legally or illegally earned, is taxed.

    Yes, it establishes 2 sales taxes collected to: 1. fund general revenue at the rate of 14.91% and 2. fund Social Security and Medicare at the rate of 8.09%, collected together at one time on the retail sale of new goods and services at the combined rate of 23%. There's nothing new about sales taxes, been around a long time, and are used by 45 of our 50 states for funding state and local governments.

    I love this tax plan. It's so simple, so easy, so fair, so right. I hope people wake up one day, otherwise they'll just hobble along for the rest of their lives under the tyranny of the income tax with no control over their business, jobs, earnings, income, profits, gains, borders, privacy, liberty, lives or futures.

    There's an ole saying, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink. It's no different with people. This Presidency is our last chance to eliminate the income tax. We're at the stream-fed pond to do that, but whether people will drink and save themselves or choose not to, will be their choice to make. They can choose to repeal the single worst policy ever made into law by the federal government in 1913, 104 years ago, and save their children from it by replacing it with the FairTax, or die as slaves to income tax tyranny and pass the bondage on to their children.

    It's been 18 years since the FairTax was introduced into Congress, yet it has never made it out of committee. It's had one hearing. Maybe next year, but hard to say.

    In any event, tax cuts make the income tax easier to bear, and the single page tax form that so many more can use now with the new tax law will make it easier to endure. With Trump's economic agenda at the helm including both his immigration and trade policies along with his deregulation and America First Agenda, the harm of the income tax is reduced considerably. That's probably enough for most of our country to turn their eyes towards other issues. So that type of tax reform is probably lost for the rest of our lives.

    Trump may still surprise me on this and with the tax cuts in hand go the extra distance with Brady during his Presidency to call for passage of the FairTax. I will continue to hope that is the case. It may be that with the new tax plan that reduces the impact of the income tax by so much, that he'll say to himself, now is the time to move on FairTax because the transition will be much simpler. He can ask "you like your one page form?" YES!! Then he can follow up with "how would you like no form at all"? YEAH!!!

    We'll see. It's just year 1. 3 to 7 to go. A lot of good can happen and maybe FairTax passage will be one of them.
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    The fairtax is a Washington Sewer Rat creation

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    The FairTax repeals the income tax code in its entirety and replaces it with a national retail sales tax on consumption
    It does not withdraw Congress' power to lay and collect taxes calculated from incomes, such as calculating an excise tax from income (profits and gains) as was laid under the corporate excise tax of 1909.

    I cannot imagine why you support the Washington Sewer Rat creation called the fairtax (H.R. 25), which is intentionally designed to tighten and enlarge the iron fist of our federal government around the necks of America's productive citizens and businesses.

    It is absolutely beyond my comprehension to understand why you support a tax which taxes an ordinary working person on the sale of the property they have in their own labor and also requires that person to register with government prior to selling their labor. And this is in addition to that person being required under the "fairtax" to keep any records and reports the federal government may dream up with another requirement that a sale tax return must be filed every single month by a person who dares to sell the property they have in their own labor.

    What is up with you Judy?

    JWK


    If we can make the majority of America’s families dependent upon a federal government check, [the alleged fair tax’s family consumption entitlement] we can then bribe them for their vote, keep ourselves in power and keep the remaining portion of America’s productive population enslaved to pay the bills ___Our Washington Establishment’s Marxist game plan, a plan to establish a federal plantation and redistribute the bread which America’s labor and business has produced.
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    LOL!! That's total bunk!!! Every business has to register itself now with the federal government, state government, city government and county government. Under the FairTax, only retail businesses have to register to collect the FairTax, they don't pay the FairTax from their labor, they just collect it from their consumer customers, and earn a handsome fee for doing so. Consumers pay the FairTax, not the businesses, same way and at the same time as they collect state, county and city sales taxes in 45 states.

    The FairTax doesn't tax "production", "production" is totally exempt from the FairTax.

    Wow. All this time you've been attacking the FairTax and you didn't even understand how it works, who it taxes and for what!!

    Gee whiz, that's "SAD!"

    Common, but still "SAD!"
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    The Fair Share Balanced Budget Amendment

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    LOL!! That's total bunk!!! Every business has to register itself now with the federal government, state government, city government and county government. Under the FairTax, only retail businesses have to register to collect the FairTax, they don't pay the FairTax from their labor, they just collect it from their consumer customers, and earn a handsome fee for doing so. Consumers pay the FairTax, not the businesses, same way and at the same time as they collect state, county and city sales taxes in 45 states.

    The FairTax doesn't tax "production", "production" is totally exempt from the FairTax.

    Wow. All this time you've been attacking the FairTax and you didn't even understand how it works, who it taxes and for what!!

    Gee whiz, that's "SAD!"

    Common, but still "SAD!"
    Nothing I have written is "bunk". Is that why you failed to quote what you allege is bunk? Additionally, Judy, you are the only one who used the word "production".

    It seems that your only recourse in debating the alleged "fairtax" is to make stuff up and constantly misdirect. I thought that type of tactic was beneath you Judy.

    Real tax reform begins with the following 32 words.


    The Fair Share Balanced Budget Amendment


    “SECTION 1. The Sixteenth Amendment is hereby repealed and Congress is henceforth forbidden to lay ``any`` tax or burden calculated from profits, gains, interest, salaries, wages, tips, inheritances or any other lawfully realized money.


    NOTE: these words would return us to our founding father’s ORIGINAL TAX PLAN as they intended it to operate! They would also end the failed experiment with allowing Congress to lay and collect taxes calculated from lawfully earned "incomes" which now oppresses America‘s economic engine and robs the bread which working people have earned when selling their labor!



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    “…..with all these blessings, what more is necessary to make us a happy and a prosperous people? Still one thing more, fellow-citizens—a wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circle of our felicities“. Thomas Jefferson, First Inaugural Address
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    johnwk wrote:

    I cannot imagine why you support the Washington Sewer Rat creation called the fairtax (H.R. 25), which is intentionally designed to tighten and enlarge the iron fist of our federal government around the necks of America's productive citizens and businesses.
    The FairTax doesn't tax production which means it doesn't tax productive citizens and businesses. In fact, it doesn't tax any citizen or business. It taxes the sale of new goods and services.

    Good bye, jwk.
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    It seems that your only recourse in debating the alleged "fairtax" is to make stuff up and constantly misdirect. I thought that type of tactic was beneath you Judy.

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    Everyone who actually knows what the FairTax is which is a simple national retail sales tax on new goods and services knows who is "misdirecting" and "making stuff up". I think Trump and Brady will get it through during Trump's Presidency. The new tax cuts pattern it with the larger standard deduction, the simple 1 page form, that's where it's headed, so the income tax is going down and will be replaced with the FairTax soon. It's the only sensible reasonable thing to do. Legislation all set and ready to go.

    Will keep my fingers crossed. It will be the most important economic development legislation ever passed. It also solves much of our "free trade" problem by taxing imports the same as domestic products but exempts exports, it discourages illegal immigration because it charges them when they make their purchases but they are ineligible for the rebate which makes it almost impossible for them to undercut American Workers on wages. It eliminates the IRS, robustly funds SS and Medicare and at the 23% combined rate actually generates more revenue than the income tax.

    It's such a beautiful tax plan.

    Wake Up Congress, get your job done and pass the FairTax .... soon!!

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    Real tax reform is found in the Fair Share Balanced Budget Amendment

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    The FairTax doesn't tax production which means it doesn't tax productive citizens and businesses. In fact, it doesn't tax any citizen or business. It taxes the sale of new goods and services.

    Good bye, jwk.
    Judy,

    Taxing American's productive citizens and taxing production are two entirely different things.


    Hope that clears the matter up for you.

    In addition, the alleged fairtax is a Washington Sewer Rat creation intentionally designed to tighten and enlarge the iron fist of sewer rats around the necks of America's productive citizens and businesses.

    Why do you support allowing the federal government tax the property which working people have in the sale of their own labor?

    Real tax reform is found in the Fair Share Balanced Budget Amendment.

    JWK

    "The property which every man has in his own labor, as it is the original foundation of all other property, so it is the most sacred and inviolable. The patrimony of the poor man lies in the strength and dexterity of his own hands; and to hinder him from employing this strength and dexterity in what manner he thinks proper, without injury to his neighbor, is a plain violation of this most sacred property."___ Butchers’ Union Co. v. Crescent CityCo., 111 U.S. 746 (1884)
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    The FairTax is a grass roots tax plan, not a Washington DC "sewer rate creation". The Washington Sewer Rats have rejected it and buried it for 19 years. If it was theirs, they would have passed it long ago.

    The FairTax doesn't tax laborers or workers, they are production and exempt from the tax. No citizens or businesses are taxed by the FairTax. Consumers who purchase the labor, who purchase the service, who purchase what the "poor man's hands" have made pay the FairTax. Buyers of new finished goods and final services pay the tax as part of the purchase price or agreed upon contract amount. And if they sign up for the rebate, they only pay on purchases of new goods and services above the household consumption allowance which for a couple with 2 kids exempts the first $33,000 of new goods and services before they pay a dime of FairTax.

    The poor man and poor woman would pay nothing.

    How much everyone else pays is strictly up to them. Education, savings, investments, charity, used homes, used cars, used items are all exempt. New homes, new cars are taxed one time at the time of purchase like all other new products sold at the retail final point of sale. Services are taxed as provided in accordance with whatever contract amount and payment that is freely agreed upon. So how much consumers pay above the household consumption allowance is voluntary and their choice when they shop for new goods or hire services.

    When the feds pass the FairTax, and I'm convinced they will in the not too distant future, states and communities will probably do away with their unfair burdensome evil property and income taxes and convert to a total sales tax system nationwide. The lives that will improved, the homes that will be saved, the peace of mind and freedom everyone will have at that point will be the best thing that's happened in our country since we ended slavery. It's hard for people like me to understand why anyone would be opposed to it, but then again, look how long it took and how hard it was to end slavery because there were just enough people addicted to it who wouldn't freely let it go.

    Have a great day, johnwk. Change to the FairTax is coming, but not today.

    Good-bye!
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