Thread: Rep. Jeff Duncan, R-S.C., gives thumbs up to Fair Tax legislation (H.R. 25)

We need to overhaul our entire tax system and gut that IRS.

End the tax loopholes the swamp passes that they use.

Somebody better come up with a plan that works.

Originally Posted by Beezer

We need to overhaul our entire tax system and gut that IRS.

End the tax loopholes the swamp passes that they use.

Somebody better come up with a plan that works.

I agree with you completely, and so far, the best plan in my opinion is the Fair Share Balanced Budget Amendment, which would actually accomplish what the FairTax advertises but doesn't do.


The Fair Share Balanced Budget Amendment

“SECTION 1. The Sixteenth Amendment is hereby repealed and Congress is henceforth forbidden to lay any tax or burden calculated from sales, profits, gains, interest, salaries, wages, tips, inheritances or any other lawfully realized money.

NOTE: these words would return us to our founding father’s original tax plan as they intended it to operate! They would also end the experiment with allowing Congress to lay and collect taxes calculated from lawfully earned “incomes” which now oppresses America‘s economic engine and robs the bread which working people have earned when selling the property each has in their own labor, not to mention they would end federal taxation being used as a political weapon to harass and attack political opponents!

“SECTION 2. Congress ought not raise money by borrowing, but when the money arising from imposts duties and excise taxes are insufficient to meet the public exigencies, and Congress has raised money by borrowing during the course of a fiscal year, Congress shall then lay a direct tax at the beginning of the next fiscal year for an amount sufficient to extinguish the preceding fiscal year’s deficit, and apply the revenue so raised to extinguishing said deficit.”

NOTE: Congress is to raise its primary revenue from imposts and duties, [taxes at our water’s edge], and may also lay miscellaneous internal excise taxes on specifically chosen articles of consumption. But if Congress borrows and spends more than is brought in from imposts, duties and miscellaneous excise taxes during the course of a fiscal year, then, and only then, is the direct apportioned tax to be laid in order to balance the budget on an annual basis.

“SECTION 3. When Congress is required to lay a direct tax in accordance with Section 1 of this Article, the Secretary of the United States Treasury shall, in a timely manner, calculate each State’s apportioned share of the total sum being raised by dividing its total population size by the total population of the united states and multiplying that figure by the total being raised by Congress, and then provide the various State Congressional Delegations with a Bill notifying their State’s Executive and Legislature of its share of the total tax being collected and a final date by which said tax shall be paid into the United States Treasury.”

In reference to the above Section see: FIRST DIRECT TAX LAID BY CONGRESS, 1798

NOTE: our founder’s fair share formula to extinguish an annual deficit would be:

States’ population
---------------------------- X SUM TO BE RAISED = STATE’S FAIR SHARE
Total U.S. Population

The above formula, as intended by our founding fathers, is to ensure that each state’s share towards extinguishing an annual deficit is proportionately equal to its representation in Congress, i.e., representation with a proportional financial obligation! And if the tax is laid directly upon the people by Congress, then everybody taxpayer across the United States pays the exact same amount!

Note also that each State’s number or Representatives, under our Constitution is determined by the rule of apportionment:

State`s Pop.
------------------- X House size (435) = State`s No. of Representatives
U.S. Pop.

“SECTION 4. Each State shall be free to assume and pay its quota of the direct tax into the United States Treasury by a final date set by Congress, but if any State shall refuse or neglect to pay its quota, then Congress shall send forth its officers to assess and levy such State’s proportion against the real property within the State with interest thereon at the rate of ((?)) per cent per annum, and against the individual owners of the taxable property. Provision shall be made for a 15% discount for those States paying their share by ((?))of the fiscal year in which the tax is laid, and a 10% discount for States paying by the final date set by Congress, such discount being to defray the States’ cost of collection.”

NOTE: This section respects the Tenth Amendment and allows each state to raise its share of a direct tax in its own chosen way in a time period set by Congress, but also allows the federal government to enter a state and collect the tax if a state is delinquent in meeting its obligation.

"SECTION 5. This Amendment to the Constitution, when ratified by the required number of States, shall take effect no later than (?) years after the required number of States have ratified it.

Not only that we need to cut off all foreign aid. These countries can pay their own bills. We are not the ATM machine for these corrupt countries. This is nothing but extortion.

We need bring our troops home and stop defending the world's borders. We need to defend our own with our troops. These countries can enlist their own men and women to defend their borders.

Cut off all funding for immigration, ALL of it! Apply to come legally, pay your way, only 500,000 per year under ONE program and terminate all other programs.

Enforce Public Charge. These foreigners cannot pay their way they are deported!

No more pork bills. Stand alone bills, pass them on on time, vote in person, or you forefeit your pay and are fired!

Trillions of dollars wasted that come out of our paychecks.

Originally Posted by Beezer

Not only that we need to cut off all foreign aid. These countries can pay their own bills. We are not the ATM machine for these corrupt countries. This is nothing but extortion.

We need bring our troops home and stop defending the world's borders. We need to defend our own with our troops. These countries can enlist their own men and women to defend their borders.

Cut off all funding for immigration, ALL of it! Apply to come legally, pay your way, only 500,000 per year under ONE program and terminate all other programs.

Enforce Public Charge. These foreigners cannot pay their way they are deported!

No more pork bills. Stand alone bills, pass them on on time, vote in person, or you forefeit your pay and are fired!

Trillions of dollars wasted that come out of our paychecks.

When my dad came here and passed the Statute of Liberty on his way to Elis Island, and when those who took their oath of office and actually advanced the general welfare of the United States and her citizens, “immigrants” were not granted entry into the United States for a number of reasons. One reason to be rejected was the likelihood of becoming a ward of the state and a “public charge”, and on this ground alone “immigrants” were refused entry!

Additionally “. . . unescorted women and children were detained until their safety was assured through the arrival of a telegram, letter, or a pre-paid ticket from a waiting relative. Immigration officials refused to send single women into the streets alone, nor could they leave with a man not related to them. Fiancées, reunited with their intended husbands, often married on the spot.” SOURCE


Others detained “ . . . included stowaways, alien seamen, anarchists, Bolsheviks, criminals and those judged to be "immoral." SOURCE


Admittance into the interior of the United States also required a medical inspection of all immigrants, and if an inspection officer detected an applicant with a disease, especially contagious diseases (TB, venereal disease, etc.) and even mental illness, they were rejected.

The sad truth is our federal government has become one of our most formidable enemies and is working to destroy the United States from within.


JWK

There is no surer way to weaken, subdue and bring to its knees a prosperous and freedom loving country than by flooding it with deadly drugs, an inflated currency and the poverty stricken, poorly educated, low skilled, diseased, disabled, and criminal populations of other countries. So why is the Biden Administration engaging in this very act?

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Getting back to the subject of the thread, the following seems to confirm our Republican Congress critters are very much part of the Washington Establishment’s never-ending push to enlarge and consolidate power in their hands.

See: Is GOP Freedom Caucus Pushing for a 30% Sales Tax in US?

My pet question goes unanswered:

Why on earth would any freedom loving, Republican member of Congress, support the rope-a-dope FairTax Act proposal which, if adopted, enlarges and strengthens the federal government’s iron fisted taxing grip around the American people’s necks?

Why do they not support and work to adopt the FAIR SHARE BALANCED BUDGET AMENDMENT which begins as follows?

“SECTION 1. The Sixteenth Amendment is hereby repealed, and Congress is henceforth forbidden to lay any tax or burden calculated from sales, profits, gains, interest, salaries, wages, tips, inheritances or any other lawfully realized money.

JWK

When Federal Reserve Notes were made a legal tender in violation of our Constitution, and a direct un-apportioned tax was imposed upon the people without their consent, America’s free enterprise, free market system was subjugated, and the tools of oppression were made available to some very immoral and nefariously evil people.

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I see the Republican Leadership in the House is still promoting a fraudulent and deceptive tax reform idea which would actually enlarge the federal government’s taxing authority. And our popular media is cleverly covering up what the FairTax scheme would actually do.

See: House GOP keeps up attacks on IRS with bill to abolish the agency

By Katie Lobosco, CNN, Mon January 23, 2023​

"The Republicans’ Fair Tax Act is not a new idea. A version was first introduced in Congress in 1999. It’s never had enough support to become law, but it puts forth an appealing message to those Americans who love to hate the federal tax agency.

It would get rid of the complicated federal tax system, doing away with the annual task of filing tax returns. Instead, the bill would replace federal taxes on individual and corporate income with a national 23% sales tax …"



Of course, Katie Lobosco of CNN misrepresents and does not report that the “FairTax” plan, if adopted, would increase the annual tax return filing to twelve frickin times a year!
Why do they continue to lie about the FairTax? See: [“CHAPTER 5, OTHER ADMINISTRATIVE PROVISIONS, SEC. 501. MONTHLY REPORTS AND PAYMENTS].

JWK

“Until you realize how easy it is for your mind to be manipulated, you remain the puppet of someone else’s game.” ― Evita Ochel

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Once again, the “FairTax” is misrepresented. This time by Adam Hardy,​




Money.com, author of the following article:​


Here's How the Proposed National Sales Tax Would Work


Adam Hardy, author of the article, asserts:

"However, the act proposes much more than dismantling the IRS, and the framework has been around for decades. In its current iteration, the Fair Tax Act would get rid of every type of current federal tax — including payroll, self-employment, estate, death and corporate taxes — and replace them with a nationwide 23% retail tax that happens at the checkout counter for new goods and services."

The truth is, the FairTax does not “. . . get rid of every type of current federal tax — .”

For example, under the alleged FairTax, the Internal Revenue Code of 1986, subtitle E (relating to alcohol, tobacco, and certain other excise taxes) is simply redesignated as subtitle C and will still be collected by the newly created “Excise Tax Bureau”, while the newly created “Sales Tax Bureau” will be collecting the new 23 percent tax on articles of consumption and upon “taxable property” which is also taxed under the alleged FairTax.

I know it takes time to dig through the weasel wording of the alleged FairTax Act, but those who report on it, should take the time to study it before making inaccurate statements concerning it.

Had Adam Hardy done his job and studied the Bill, he would have found “SEC. 302. ADMINISTRATION OF OTHER FEDERAL TAXES”

(a) IN GENERAL. — Section 7801 of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 (relating to the authority of the Department of the Treasury) is amended by adding at the end the following:

“(d) EXCISE TAX BUREAU. — There shall be in the Department of the Treasury an Excise Tax Bureau to administer those excise taxes not administered by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

“(e) SALES TAX BUREAU. — There shall be in the Department of the Treasury a Sales Tax Bureau to administer the national sales tax in those States where it is required pursuant to section 404, and to discharge other Federal duties and powers relating to the national sales tax (including those required by sections 402, 403, and 405). The Office of Revenue Allocation shall be within the Sales Tax Bureau."

As I previously pointed out, contrary to Adam Hardy’s assertion, the FairTax does not “. . . get rid of every type of current federal tax — .”​

JWK

We are here today and gone tomorrow, but what is most important is what we do in-between and is what our children will inherit and remember us by.