Thread: Republican party-line is tax manipulation not tax reform

When it comes to tax reform you can bet your bottom dollar our Washington Swamp Creatures [Republican and Democrats alike] want nothing to do with tax reform which would actually alter the manner in which federal revenue is raised. What our Republican Swamp Creatures falsely claim is “tax reform”, is nothing more than a plan to manipulate the existing method of laying and collecting taxes calculated from profits, gains, salaries, wages tips and other “incomes”, and it would create a whole new set of winners and losers using this type of tax.


Keep in mind, under Kevin Brady’s so called “tax reform”, we still wind up with a direct unequal tax upon individuals and businesses which is calculated from profits, gains, salaries and other “incomes” ___ a tax system allowing our federal government to create privileged classes exempt from taxation; a tax which can, and has been used as a weapon by notoriously evil politicians to harass and punish political foes; a tax system allowing corrupt politicians to require taxpayers to divulge the most personal aspects of their private lives; a tax which has allowed our federal government from one Congress to another to micro manage our lives and businesses and place the heel of an oppressive government on the necks of America's most productive citizens and business owners, which in fact has resulted in our current repressive state of affairs.


President Trump may very well have his heart in the right place when it comes to “tax reform”, but he is being conned by slithering snakes like Kevin Brady, Paul Ryan and Mitchell McConnell who have no intention to end the authoritarian system of federal taxes calculated from profits, gains, salaries and other “incomes” ___ a system of taxation which has proven to be a tool of corrupt politicians and is destructive to our nation’s general welfare and prosperity.


Unlike our Founders who wanted America’s market place to be used to fill our national treasury using specific taxes laid upon articles of consumption ___ a kind of tax which is limited by the purchase of such articles, making it a “self-regulating” tax ___ and across-the-board imposts and duties at our water’s edge such as tonnage taxes, and if necessary a direct apportioned tax to extinguish deficits should Congress find impost, duties and excise taxes insufficient during the course of a fiscal year, Brady, Ryan and McConnell have joined forces with the Democrat Party Leadership to keep alive the notoriously evil system of income taxation, which is a primary source of power used by Washington sewer rats to reward donors, punish enemies, redistribute wealth which America’s labor, businesses and investors have worked to produce, and keeps the heel of a corrupt federal government on the necks of the American People.


Real tax reform is not found in keeping alive “income taxation” and manipulating its application. It is found by ending the socialist income tax experiment and returning to our Constitution’s ORIGINAL TAX PLAN as it was intended to operate by our Founders. Unfortunately, not one member of Congress, nor any media personality to the best of my knowledge, including those at FoxNews, has, in recent times, discussed the merits and wisdom of the Fair Share Balanced Budget Amendment which would return us to our Constitution’s original tax plan. In fact, there really isn’t any “tax reform” being discussed. Instead, all that is talked about is income tax manipulation and creating a whole new set of winners and losers, while keeping this notorious evil tax alive with all its miseries, shortfalls and never ending class warfare which is destroying America from within.


JWK

“Honest money and honest taxation, the Key to America’s future Prosperity“ ___ from “Prosperity Restored by the State Rate Tax Plan”, no longer in print.

It's so true, my dear Johnwk. As you know and I'm sure you would expect, here's my plug again for the FairTax which does virtually everything Americans really want, they want freedom from tax tyranny, they want a system that doesn't mandate taxes on income or property or assets or earnings or estates, they want and are entitled to a viable choice to pay or not to pay, they want when they choose to pay, a simple no paper, no forms, and no privacy invasion to do so, we want a system that pays the bills of our government but doesn't run our companies out of the country to avoid the burden of high taxes that ends up costing us our jobs and livelihoods. the FairTax does all of this for US.

Trump liked the FairTax and debated whether to go with it or tweek the income tax. He decided due to urgency to tweek the income tax expecting it to be done months ago and in effect for this tax year whereas the FairTax takes 2 years to implement, the year it passes and then a 1 year phase out. Congress has of course disappointed on addressing the urgency of tax cuts and reform, taking much longer and so far not agreeing to the 15% corporate and business pass-through tax cut. Had he come out of the gate strong for the FairTax, it would have passed by now, next year would be the implementation year, and it would go into effect in January 2019. I was very disappointed in that decision during the campaign, but understood why he went in that direction.

Judy wrote (excerpt):

Trump liked the FairTax and debated whether to go with it or tweek the income tax.

You about sent me to the floor in a laughing fit with that comment.

Just because Trump made a minuscule mention of the fraud tax and flat tax doesn't mean either was ever really a serious consideration. Time to give it up, the so-called fair tax is not fair or worthy of serious discussion.

http://augustafreepress.com/stephen-...air-tax-fraud/

Trump never mentioned a fraud tax or a flat tax, only the FairTax or tax cuts. It's so funny that you think the FairTax is a joke when most Real Republicans support it. Ted Cruz is a co-sponsor of the FairTax. So is Richard Burr from North Carolina. I'm not sure who you're trying to impress or what wheel you're trying to grease, but it's not going to get you anywhere you apparently seek to be.

Originally Posted by Judy

Trump never mentioned a fraud tax or a flat tax, only the FairTax or tax cuts. It's so funny that you think the FairTax is a joke when most Real Republicans support it. Ted Cruz is a co-sponsor of the FairTax. So is Richard Burr from North Carolina. I'm not sure who you're trying to impress or what wheel you're trying to grease, but it's not going to get you anywhere you apparently seek to be.

Honesty is important. Fraud tax is my name for what you're calling the fair tax and yes, Trump did mention the flat tax along with the fraud tax. Furthermore, your assumption that most "Real Republicans" support it is just that, an assumption. Of course I nor anyone else for that matter really know what you're basing that assumption on. I will admit though, some of the wealthy do like the fraud tax because it would benefit them, however, it is the middle class that will suffer the most under the fraud tax.

Trump: ‘Flat Tax Is Okay

Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump declared, “I think flat tax is okay” on Friday’s broadcast of the “Matt Murphy Show” on Birmingham, AL’s WAPI.

Trump said, “Who knows taxes better than me?” He continued, “You know, when they talk about fixing the tax, it’s so complicated, that people have to go and use H&R Block to do a $50,000 — a man who makes $50,000 has to spend money –.”

Host Matt Murphy then cut in to ask Trump if he supports the fair tax. Trump answered, “Well, I think fair tax is okay. And I think flat tax is okay. But, I think the simplest thing to get approved is just the simplification of the existing. You know, we can just simplify the existing, and then we can start thinking about other things. But, to move fast, the simplification would be very easy. I mean, we could take so many of these deductions, these false deductions off…which, by the way, benefit the wealthy. And lower taxes.” Trump added that the tax code doesn’t “take care of” the middle class, and he wants to “focus on” and “take care of” the middle class.

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/...t-tax-is-okay/

So there you have it, Trump has actually spoke of the 'flat tax' before even though you said he hasn't. Honesty is important. You often pretend to know everything Trump has said or done, but ........ I digress.

Oh, and please don't tell my family and friends I'm not a "Real Republican" because they would probably laugh in your face.

Giggles. Bait. Fish.

But, I think the simplest thing to get approved is just the simplification of the existing. You know, we can just simplify the existing, and then we can start thinking about other things. But, to move fast, the simplification would be very easy.---Donald J Trump -- August 2015

We'll see.

Well, now that the Republican “tax reform” plan has been made public, it turns out I was spot on. The Republican Party Leadership, and that includes President Trump, never had any intention to propose tax reform. What is offered is nothing more than tax manipulation ___ a continuation of manipulating taxes calculated from incomes, and keeping alive all the powers associated with this patently evil and arbitrary system of taxation.


Does President Trump’s tax reform end unequal direct taxation and restore our Constitution’s rule of apportioning direct taxation? No!


Does President Trump’s tax reform end our federal government’s existing use of income taxation as a weapon to attack and punish political foes? No!


Does President Trump’s tax reform end our Washington Swamp Creatures ability to pick winners and losers by arbitrarily dictating what is and what is not “taxable income”? No!


Does President Trump’s tax reform end our Washington Swamp Creatures use of taxation to compel American Citizens to divulge the most personal aspects of their private lives, and do so under a penalty of perjury? No!


Does President Trump’s tax reform end a system of taxation which punishes hard working citizens and businesses for their success, while rewarding the lazy and unproductive by allowing them to escape contributing income taxes into our federal treasury? Hell no!


I could go on and on about Trump's phony tax reform but the sad truth is, President Trump has joined our Washington Swamp Creatures in their ongoing Kabuki Dance called tax reform, which never ends in real tax reform. Real tax reform is found in The Fair Share Balanced Budget Amendment which would restore our Constitution’s original tax plan, as our Founders intended it to operate.


JWK




Are we really ok with 45 percent of our nation’s population who pay no taxes on incomes being allowed to vote for representatives who spend federal revenue which the remaining 55 percent of our nation’s hard working and productive population has contributed into our federal treasury via taxes on incomes, when our Constitution requires “Representatives and direct taxes Shall be apportioned among the Several States”?

Pass the FairTax! End the manipulation. Start freedom all over again. It will feel so good.

Originally Posted by Judy

Pass the FairTax! End the manipulation. Start freedom all over again. It will feel so good.

Judy,

Please, please stop panhandling the alleged fairtax. It does not withdraw Congress' power to lay and collect taxes calculated from profits, gains, and other incomes. Why not support the Fair Share Balanced Budget Amendment which does in fact withdraw the notoriously evil power of Congress to lay and collect taxes calculated from incomes?


JWK

Originally Posted by johnwk

Judy,

Please, please stop panhandling the alleged fairtax. It does not withdraw Congress' power to lay and collect taxes calculated from profits, gains, and other incomes. Why not support the Fair Share Balanced Budget Amendment which does in fact withdraw the notoriously evil power of Congress to lay and collect taxes calculated from incomes?


JWK

Because like the people in 45 states in the country, I live in a state income tax state and find no benefit to state income tax tyranny to pay the bills of the federal government.