Thread: Ron Paul Toughest on Terror

I'm not a follower!

I'm never done!

Originally Posted by GREGAGREATAMERICAN

Originally Posted by Americanpatriot

I would love to see the best of both worlds: Ron Paul & Duncan Hunter as president & vice president either way would be nice.
They are both good, honest men and would be for wonderful for US IMO.

I've had it with bush; one more year of him is all I can barely hack. If Hitlery or any demoncrat gets in we are done for.

to here some Pauls f-l-o-w-e-r-s tell it we are all ready done for...

Just what the MSM wants..... and who owns the MSM?



Well in a small part we all do, why do you ask? Didn’t

No we don't own the media. The media is owned by corporations. These corporations put out propaganda that will influence policy that benefits their bottom line.

The media is not just media - it is large corporations with many and varied interests.

Originally Posted by nntrixie

Just what the MSM wants..... and who owns the MSM?



Well in a small part we all do, why do you ask? Didn’t

No we don't own the media. The media is owned by corporations. These corporations put out propaganda that will influence policy that benefits their bottom line.

The media is not just media - it is large corporations with many and varied interests.

Who owns the corporations???
Who owns stock in the Media???
Bet the Good Doc has a few pieces lying around
Just like the people do.
I am not buying the media is out to get us argument…
We see more now then we ever did…

Here Greg, take a look at what the good Doctor owns...

http://www.opensecrets.org/pfds/pfd2006 ... 6_2006.pdf

This is a copy of his FEC filing for the Presidential election. All of his holdings are in gold, except for what he holds in HIS OWN medical practice.

Look for yourself, you pompous ass, and then ADMIT THAT YOU WERE WRONG!!!

Oh, greg

You have seen the media has made illegal immigration a non issue for 30 years = until they were forced to begin mentioning it.

Now what do you see - sob stories - day in and day out.

When they do mention one doing something heinous, they always report his neighbors said he was a good man, or he went to work everyday.

Do they call them as they are - illegal aliens, or even illegal immigrants?

It doesn't matter who owns stock in company - unless they are major, major stockholders, they have no say over how it is run.

I dare some regular, average stockholder to go to a meeting and demand they tell the truth about illegal immigrants.

Or

the superhighway

Or

the war in Iraq

Or

the Patriot Act

Or

the NAU

See how far you can get.

Yes, Americans may own stock - they are using our money in many ways and that is just one of them.

Originally Posted by nntrixie

Oh, greg

You have seen the media has made illegal immigration a non issue for 30 years = until they were forced to begin mentioning it.

Now what do you see - sob stories - day in and day out.

When they do mention one doing something heinous, they always report his neighbors said he was a good man, or he went to work everyday.

Do they call them as they are - illegal aliens, or even illegal immigrants?

It doesn't matter who owns stock in company - unless they are major, major stockholders, they have no say over how it is run.

I dare some regular, average stockholder to go to a meeting and demand they tell the truth about illegal immigrants.

Or

the superhighway

Or

the war in Iraq

Or

the Patriot Act

Or

the NAU

See how far you can get.

Yes, Americans may own stock - they are using our money in many ways and that is just one of them.

If you have ever bought anything that you’ve seen a commercial. Then you have just supported the corporations that own and or fund the media. Cable TV has just cut out the middle man some so we buy stock in those locally, ie: Time Warner, Adelphi ect…

Ron Paul's only option is to buy as many flat screen TVs as he can, put 'Ron Paul' bumper stickers on them, and hand them out to voters in New Hampshire.
Bars of gold and silver would be nice but then that’s defeating his purpose. They always say he who dies with the most toys wins. Looks like The Good Doc has upped his anti this past year. Isn’t it Grand how some gold and silver corporations also have a hand in TV, multi media and the likes. I might just see if the Family would like to consider something like that. After all if one of the biggest things traded on Wall Street is gold then how could we loose.

What do you hear about Ron Paul’s support of this fraudulent penny stock claim used even by Saudi arms dealer Adnan Khashoggi's Or maybe his involvement in Jag Media Holdings, or the Bellador Group any of that stuff ringing a bell … Maybe not Lets go a little deeper.

Let’s play a little game and then ill tell you who said these statements when and where.

1) Section 404 of the Sarbanes-Oxley Act has raised the costs of doing business, thus causing foreign companies to withdraw from American markets and retarding economic growth. By criminalizing inadvertent mistakes and exceeding congressional authority, Section 404 also undermines the rule of law and individual liberty. I therefore urge my colleagues to cosponsor the Due Process and Economic Competitiveness Restoration Act.
2) Financial analysts have identified Section 404 as the major reason why American corporations are hoarding cash instead of investing it in new ventures.

3) The reluctance of small businesses and foreign firms to register on American stock exchanges is easily understood when one considers the costs Sarbanes-Oxley imposes on businesses. According to a survey by Kron/Ferry International, Sarbanes-Oxley cost Fortune 500 companies an average of $5.1 million in compliance expenses in 2004, while a study by the law firm of Foley and Lardner found the Act increased costs associated with being a publicly held company by 130 percent.


Funny thing about this I never even left the 2000s Id love to spend some time in the 80s and 90s but you guys are way to easy, on this candidate. This was way to easy and says way to much with out every calling a name or making any thing up . If I was the Good old Doc legalize it Paul, Id want to know where the money came from If I got millions and millions on the internet and id be just a little worked up about the bounced check fees and the credit card fees when its found out that only about half that money is real. Interesting enough all that down play Ron Paul does on the dollar he sure has a lot of good old American made in the Usa Dollars to talk about and a little thing called a margin call applies to him as well. Well in his case that could be a big thing.

Sarbanes-Oxley was another one of those 423-3 votes in the House and 99-0 in the Senate. It crippled American business while giving unfair advantage to foreign business in the US.

It pretty much did to American business what the Patriot act did to American rights, and passed Congress with the same amount of support. Now how did they get ALL those guys to vote for it, hmmm?

If you think bringing up Globalist double-shuffles is going to help your SMEAR CAMPAIGN you need to think a little harder, but don't hurt yourself, OK?

Next thing you know it'll be the McCain-Feingold bill. Welcome to campaign skullduggery 101 dressed as reform.

Another lipstick-covered pig. Pucker up.

Why the Counterculture Should Support Ron Paul
by Keith Preston

http://www.lewrockwell.com
Strictly speaking, the term "counterculture" refers to any cultural undercurrent that holds to a set of values different from those of the mainstream society. Of course, most Americans think of "counterculturalists" in terms of the various subcultures that emerged from the social upheavals of the 1960s and 70s or whose existence emanates from that time period. Perhaps a better term might be "bohemians," a label that has traditionally been given to those, usually artists, writers, or intellectuals, who exist outside of cultural conventions or who possess a value system that is opposed to "establishment" values. An even wider term might be the Marxist designation "lumpenproletariat," originally used as a means of classification of the urban unemployed but now more broadly utilized as a description of a wide assortment of persons who exist on the margins or among the bottom layer of society.

Such groupings include a substantial amount of variation among themselves. Among the ranks of counterculturalists, bohemians and lumpenproletarians are members of the many youth subcultures (hippies, ravers, punk rockers, "goths"), adherents of spiritualities outside the mainstream religions (New Age, pagans, Wiccans, Buddhists), so-called "sexual minorities" (gays, lesbians, bi-sexuals, transsexuals and transgendereds), a wide spectrum of subcultures devoted to particular forms of art, music or fashion (such the enthusiasts for massive tattooing and "body piercing"), the various drug cultures, those whose livelihood in on the margins of society or even the law (from bookies to midwives to "sex workers"), and those with unconventional political views (anarchists, primitivists, tax resisters) or social practices (polygamists, vegans or nudists). These groups then overlap considerably with others, such as students and other young people, low-income or unskilled workers, residents of urban tenant housing, proponents of "alternative media," the casually self-employed "petite bourgeoise" (to use another Marxist term), transients, the unemployed, the homeless and, unfortunately, prisoners.

Though there are obvious exceptions (like bikers and skinheads), counterculturalists generally favor the political Left. I know of no intrinsic reason for this, except the frequently false stereotype that "left" is synonymous with enlightenment, anti-authoritarianism or anti-establishment attitudes with "right" being identified with obscurantism or apologetics in defense of the status quo. It also true that the majority of counterculturalists, bohemians and (arguably) the wider lumpenproletarian sector generally think of themselves as socially "progressive" and side with environmentalists, animal rights activists, feminists, proponent of "gay rights," racial/ethnic minorities, the handicapped, and the poor and downtrodden, no doubt because many of them belong to these groups themselves. At first glance, it might appear that these people would not have much in common with a multiple-term Republican congressman, pro-life obstetrician, devout Baptist, "gold bug" who epitomizes "family values" like Ron Paul. So why then would it be in the self-interests of the "masses of the marginalized" to rally behind Dr. Paul's candidacy?

Reasons aplenty exist as to why those on the margins or bottom of society should support Ron Paul, some of them quite serious and pressing. One of these is economic. At present, the American ruling class is pursuing a path of economic suicide. Current economic policy is an extravagant combination of currency devaluation, extreme fiscal recklessness, public indebtedness and trade debt that is unprecedented and unparalleled by any other state in the world, massive importation of cheap immigrant labor, corporate-mercantilist so-called "free trade" arrangements like NAFTA and the proposed North American Union and much else whose eventual effects will be full-on economic collapse of the kind not seen since the Great Depression, perhaps worse. For the Great American Middle Class, economic collapse will bring lower living standards and perhaps even relative poverty. For the "underclass," lumpenproletariat and marginal sectors, the result will be devastation, destitution or even death. Ron Paul understands this perilous economic situation to a degree that his rivals, Democratic or Republican, do not even begin to comprehend.

Ron Paul supports a non-interventionist foreign policy. This is also a matter of life and death for the young, the poor, the marginal, minorities and the working class. Each of Dr. Paul's Republican rivals and most of the Democratic candidates (save a few flaky fringe figures like Kucinich or Gravel) either display a militaristic belligerence that is, well, more than a little frightening or, at best, a non-committal attitude tempered with subservience to those sectors (such as the Israel Lobby) who exhibit the greatest enthusiasm for further martial adventures abroad. Extending the present neoconservative program of military conquest of Muslim lands to Iran, Pakistan, Syria or elsewhere (or, alternately do-gooder excursions to places such as Darfur) will not only generate massive casualties among the present regular armed forces (to say nothing of innocent civilians), but will necessitate the implementation of conscription for the sake of generating further chattel for the carnage. And it won't be the rich white boys who suffer the most.

No member of Congress or national politician has been more outspoken in opposition to the ever-expanding police state that has taken root in the United States over the past few decades than Ron Paul. The progressively escalating wars on drugs, crime, guns, gangs and terrorism have had the effect of establishing repression and incarceration as major growth industries, with these sectors being larger in the United States than in any other nation, including such supposed arch-tyrannies as Iran, China or Hugo Chavez's Venezuela. Recently, I came across an article in a business journal that casually and plausibly stated that one in four Americans are now employed in security work, rivaling the percentage of East Germans employed by the Stasi. It is surely a sign of the utterly degenerate and depraved nature of the present political class that such matters as the legalization of torture of suspects, coerced confessions, indefinite suspension of habeas corpus, whether or not "waterboarding" actually constitutes torture, detention without trial, secret tribunals and development of the legal framework for martial law are all considered just another matter of public policy debate in the same manner as traffic safety, tax policy, education or Social Security reform.

For many middle class Americans, the expansion of the police state to such grotesque levels many never mean more than occasional nuisances like having to take your shoes off to board a plane. For the poor, the homeless, drug users, the socially marginal and those most likely to encounter the wrath of the state directly, such tactics are potentially lethal. Rest assured the legitimation of such police state methodology will result in such tactics being used to fight not only the "war on terrorism" but the "war on drugs" as well. The handling of inmates in Guantanamo Bay in such a manner will eventually bring about the use of such tactics in domestic American prisons. The suspension of habeas corpus and other basic procedural rights will eventually result in the curtailment of such rights for drug suspects, those who run afoul of gun laws, petty criminals, proponents of "alternative medicine," those caught up in the state's multitude of entrapment and scam racketeering prosecutions, and political dissidents such as anti-globalization or antiwar protestors, race militants among the minority groups, environmental, animal rights and other activists. It is the nature of such things to grow and expand with time, and only Ron Paul displays the motivation to "nip it in the bud," though the bud of the police state is already blooming.

Indeed, many other reasons exist why counterculturalists, bohemians and lumpenproles should assist Ron Paul in his efforts. Dr. Paul's program of authentically constitutional, limited and decentralized government with respect for private property offers outcasts and outlaws the means of achieving personal and collective sovereignty. Who cares if your Christian fundamentalist neighbors don't like your sexual practices or drug habits so long as you can do what you want on your own property? So what if upper-middle-class civic, real estate or business associations don't like punk rock clubs or tattoo parlors so long as your proprietary rights and freedom of association are respected? So the folks in rural Georgia want to have school prayer and refuse to recognize gay marriage? Fine. Have Wiccan prayers and polysexual polygamy in San Francisco or Boston if you want. Don't like capitalism? That's cool. In Ron Paul's America, you could organize all the anarchist communes, socialist collectives, communist kibbutzes, mutualist cooperatives or anarcho-syndicalist labor associations you wanted. You just couldn't force others to join you, nor could they force you to join them in their tight-Beeeped, restrictive suburbs. Indeed, if the experience of her husband's reign is any indication, such efforts in the America of Evita Clinton might well result in a fiery death (remember the Branch Davidians?). Benito Giuliani's reign of terror against those on the margins of society during his time on the balcony in New York is widely known. In fact, one aspect of Giuliani's dictatorship that is frequently overlooked (even by libertarians) is his notorious campaign against the property and associational liberties of "sex workers."

A head of state with a demonstrable, decades-long track record of consistent support for civil liberties, constitutional rights, a sound economy and a non-imperialist foreign policy will have an enormous opportunity to lead by example and through the bully pulpit. If a President Paul were to tell the motley crew of criminals and sociopaths otherwise known as the federal government to mind their own business and start making efforts to reign them in, and appealing to the sovereignty and support of the American people when they inevitably resisted, how long would it be before such a revolution in political values began to trickle down to the average man on the street and to all levels of government?

Another reason to support Ron Paul is that used by the aristocratic liberal H.L. Mencken to justify his own support for the left-wing "progressive" Robert La Follette, described by Mencken as "the best man running as a man." Agree with all of his political views or not, Ron Paul is head and shoulders above his rivals in personal integrity, honesty and consistency when compared with the charlatanry of the others, who often change positions as quickly as they change underwear. Left or right, culturally conservative or countercultural, Ron Paul is as good as it gets on the issues that matter most.

December 22, 2007





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A good rule of thumb for me is not to get too excited about any candidate whose actual election would make the Dow lose thousands of points, on the first day we get the news he has been elected.