Thread: Studies show adverse side effects in Schizophrenia drugs Le

I am disabled from pharmaceuticals (and not the sike kind) so I get really angry about this whole mess and believe that health care reform would involve freeing up doctors to be able to tell the truth without sacrificing their career because as it currently stands, if you become disabled from Rx you most likely will end up in the streets because nobody but nobody will admit what is happening to you. Sure there are occasional lawsuits on some drugs - how that is determined I have often wondered. Unfortunately suits for the Rx I have taken are unknown to me and in other cases the relationship between the Rx and the illness created was not officially discovered or acknowledged until after my miniscule 2 year statute of limitations was up. Now I survive on Social Security disability but people want to take that away from me too?


Plus I am a multiple amputee, but it is all internal, so it is much better if you lose a limb or something visible because even medical doctors are still pathetically primitive - if they can't see it they just want to call it sike when it is not. Personally I am kind of on the cutting edge of what they don't know and I can tell that I am locally famous in the medical community - both good and bad because lots of doctors just dump me. Lots of other doctors want to argue with me even though what is wrong is not their area of expertise, not what I am there to see them about - they bring it up by reading my file, asking questions and then making their erroneous pronouncements. To be fair, some doctors have encouraged me to keep seeking even though it is not their specific discipline they know enough to know that I am right. Many of us have to receive our disability benefits on a false diagnosis of being labeled mentally ill when we are not because nobody will admit the Rx cause of our illness because it is a real career killer for them. If you are classified that way the government requires that you have a "representative payee" who will manage your funds for you. Typically these representative payees take almost half your puny monthly check, not even leaving you enough to rent a room anywhere. So the predatory criminality continues right down to the last penny of the most vulnerable populations and now I know why we have so many homeless mentally ill.

imho true health care reform would mean opening up the legal medical model to allow other truths and other healing methods to shine. Most employers will simply not allow employees to go the more time-consuming alternate health care route. Sure the law says one thing but the fact that your insurance won't cover it makes it prohibitive for many and the fact is that most employers harass and threaten people who make their appointments during the work day as well as require excessive privacy invading documentation for each appointment. Alternate healers want to have "normal" working hours and do not make themselves available evenings and weekends which is when most wage slaves need to be able to go. So I have met many healthy people who are extremely judgemental of those of us receiving "entitlements" and who actually believe that it is our own fault that we got sick and would be totally happy for us to be dying in the streets in front of them because they think that we do not deserve it.

I think that Rx companies are passing the buck to John Q Public for their criminality and that they should be held accountable for those of us who are permanently damaged and can no longer work.

Recently I read somewhere that we are now exporting our mental health medical model to China. It was reported as good economic news. Much of what is called mental illness in this country is actually endocrine problems undiagnosed. The schizophrenia mentioned in previous posts? Decades ago it was proven that the majority of schizophrenics can be healed with dietary changes alone. Why is this knowledge hidden from us? As for the Chinese, the allopathic medical model of mental illness will be useful for repression of various truths. How many millions of single young men are there in China, with no available wives because the one child policy caused massive infanticide of female births? They are inundated with a very proud fiercely nationalist culture and not likely to be accepting of a wife from another race or culture. Is it mentall illness for them to be extremely frustrated or a common sense reaction to these negative pressures on them preventing them from living a normal life that is part of human nature?

Another problem in China that needs chill pills is the millions of university educated single children whose entire extended families have pinned their hopes on the success of these children - and they cannot get jobs commensurate with their education. So are they now mentally ill or are they suffering from a conflict of expectation and harsh reality? Do you really think that a chill pill can fix this? Prior to this importation of the western allopathic model of mental illness my understanding is that the Chinese language had not even a word for a vague concept such as depression. Traditional Chinese medicine is all about cause and effect and actually very scientific in not having these fuzzy unknowns that we here in the US tolerate as "depression" and do not even seek external or endocrine cause.

So for any reader who is "depressed." I encourage you to insist on better medical care than that. Personally I do not believe in "depression" although I have experienced quite a bit of it - it was always related to a medical problem undiagnosed ranging from thyroid to poisoning by Rx. I even suffered a tumor for years (of a type that kills most sufferers) and multiple doctors diagnosed the tumor as depression. Think about it. The doctor gets paid regardless of wether or not they actually help you. Who is the doctor beholden to? Scientific truth? The Hippocratic Oath? The powerful interests that constitute the majority of his paycheck (insurance and Big Pharma?) Look how the doctor guards the financial interests of the insurance company by diagnosing depression. It is much cheaper to throw a chill pill at you than actually do all of the testing necessary to truly discover what is wrong with you. After all, real testing might find out that you are being poisoned by GMO food, common chemicals at work, pharmaceuticals in your tap water, and so on - things that would cut into some people's profits in a huge way should the public demand that the right thing be done. And since there is such stigma and danger around having any kind of sike diagnosis we do not share about this in order to realize that millions of us have been duped so that we might wake up and demand proper action such as true health care reform.

I miss the old days when families actually took care of each other. Now they just want to dope them up and put them on the street. "Hey, he's my dad he takes care of me not me taking care of him!" type attitude.

I used to adult sit for a woman who was a family friend back when I was a kid. Her husband had alhzeimers. She was having a harder and harder time being around him and rather just avoid him because more and more he was forgetting her. I'd come over and watch him and entertain him when she was out, occasionally made a few bucks but it was more about helping my families friends then anything. Looking back I remember how she at home would lock the door with a bell on it and just seclude herself away from him. However when I was there I would be doing puzzles and other activities with him. Every day I came he always remembered who I was while not to well he recognized me as his friend who would keep him busy (rarely remember my name though). However his wife generally he couldn't even remember after she's been out 6 hours or so at most. She's walk in and he'd ask questionably "hello?, who're you?". Thinking back makes me think it had something to do with my being actively involved with him in activities that worked the brain while she just sat back trying to ignore the issue.

Anyways many of these issues are bad and many need some form of drugs as they get worse as people stop being as healthy. Still one key point I think we are missing in relation is the effect of family on someone. Family should be there to help eachother within reason. But today families are just people who call and say hello on Christmas, or maybe show up once a year to see eachother.

P.S. The tumor that I mentioned in my long post above that I almost died from because the symptoms of it were repeatedly misdiagnosed as depression? That tumor was caused by Rx. Now that the relationship between the Rx and these type tumors has been established there is still no hope for restitution for me because my measly 2 year statute of limitations is up. Furthermore, if I had received appropriate medical care I never would have been taking the tumor causing Rx.

Re the care of ailing family members - it often does degenerate into an abusive situation. I think that support groups for people are a great idea - to know that you are not alone, to know that it's not all about you, to share tips to deal with the situation. Alzheimers patients can be particularly obstinate so even tips for getting them dressed or bathed can be great. Getting old is probably the hardest time of life - Gettin' old ain't for sissies! Syanis, can you imagine that the love of her life did not even know her, was no longer there as an anchor, best friend, support and all that one counts on a marriage partner for - instead transformed into a tedious burden. She needed more of a support system to help her deal.

I think that initially the idea of putting our high maintenance relatives into care facilities was appealing because there were so many horrendously abusive situations going on, but now we learn that emotionally detached low-wage caregivers often have no leash on their negative actions towards these vulnerable people either. I think many of us hope to be ready willing and able to off ourselves before we become so vulnerable and I do think that it is a very common occurrence. Locally the TV news reported a nasty accident a few days ago. A 93 year old man drove through his gate and his car crashed into his backyard swimming pool - drowning him. It is labeled an accident but was also noted that he was due to enter a nursing home the exact next day.

We had a family member with Alzheimer's that needed to be put in a home for multiple reasons. Everybody had to work that were big enough to keep him under control. (He would grab the car keys and drive through town like a drunken teen ignoring stop signs and red lights.) His wife visited the home daily and insisted on feeding him, doing his laundry - everything as if he were still at home. A daughter took a job working at night at the home to make sure that he was not mistreated - they were able to do that but they were not able to keep him at home anymore.

Currently I have a relative with Parkinson's who self-isolates due to shame. She can't deal with not being able to cook for guests and she will not be seen in a restaurant when she is no longer able to use utensils. Managing bathroom needs is difficult for her and creates smell and more shame. If she wishes for someone to wash her hair - which she no longer can do for herself - she has to pay $40. Nobody who is close enough geographically to insist has the brains or the caring to tell her that they love her anyway and bring take-out food to the house and eat with her non-judgementally. The fact that this 300 pound big boned woman now weighs less than 120 is a huge clue that she needs help. She is clinging to independance as long as possible.

We know plenty of people who have died because nobody at the hospital or nursing home could bother to read the chart or log the chart correctly - so Rx given erroneously was the true cause of death. Nobody cares because they figure they were gping to die anyway. Maybe not.

Another ugly truth is that what has been going on in our economy for decades means that just to keep a roof over our heads everybody in the family has to work so there is no homemaker able to care for those who needs it.

Don't get me wrong now, I understand the difficulty of these issues. I'm not saying a families entire job should be taking care of their sickly family member, just that many rather just kick them to the curb and expect the government to take care of them while they act like that family member is gone. There is a need for family responsibility in a bigger portion. A family may need to put someone in a nursing home, but just ignoring that family member and expecting the government and taxpayers are now fully responsible is not good family values.

I'm living in the Philippines currently with my wife as we process her spousal visa. Here there are many issues but one thing I respect greatly is family values. Family sticks together through thick and thin and supports eachother. The elder brother/sister works sending money back home to pay for their younger siblings to attend school and college. One graduates college and they start working also sending money back home to support the next sibling and so on. The problem is really family size of 7-9 children for a normal family along with other issues. However the family supports eachother. When the parents are too old to work or to frail the children now grown help support their parents as they can.

Now in the US you turn 18 you expect mom and dad to help with college, not often anymore can they though. So you go to college on student loans and such. You finish school and you move out, get your own place, run your own life. Very few help support their younger siblings get through school and college. After they move out its no longer there problem. Parents get old and many children turn their backs on their parents saying its not their problem. Sure they may send a tiny bit of money or the odd visit, but nothing more then a fake gesture for show.

We just need to start thinking family values again rather then "not my problem". Don't ruin your own life taking care of someone who would consume your life, but there are some things family can do.

Yes the family values thing bothers me alot. I was going to respond with that on the Global thread. I am torn about assimilation. In a way I don't mind people wanting to stick to their own culture or religion if that helps them keep their family together just so long as they respect me and mine and are not hostile or indifferent or any of the other things we experience with the illegals from south of the border. There is a strange thing about becoming American and that is for most, the loss of family over the generations of assimilation. I haven't quite figured this one out yet. Rooting out the cause of this is complex and I am not so sure that this breakdown of the family unit is accidental so the immigrants who resist this have a point. I want us to be able to keep our families together without becoming full of hate like them.

Looking back for centuries we maintain family values. Its only in the last 40-50 years its started really going downhill. I really think its because in the past we were forced almost to rely on our family. However now the government has stepped in taking over the roles family would do.

Family helped with family member education, Government to the rescue!

Family helped eachother with medical needs, Government to the rescue!

Family helped eachother with housing, Government to the rescue!

Family helped eachother in old age / death. Government to the rescue!

Family helped eachother with food, Government to the rescue!

Family Helped eachother with Jobs and loss, Government to the rescue!

Looking at it its kind of a breakdown of our socialised entitlement list. I didn't even write it that way until looked back. All the things family needed eachothers help with now the government takes care of for the family.

Guess this is why the government is called Big Brother. Funny irony is I didn't even look at writing it this way, it just showed a result of the list I made at whim.

yeah, huh? Perhaps the capitalist variant on stripping people of their resources worked better than the late great USSR version?

We always have horror studies of the "old days" and movies that teach us what hell our mental hospitals once were compared to now. I would like to see a comparitive study of various nations around the world that includes the actual incidence of mental health problems (all translated into the same vernacular of course) as well as treatment modalities and success rates. Plus reconstitute old no longer used options as best we can for comparison. How can we consider our treatment of mental illness to be enlightened or scientific when they still have the disclaimer that the sike Rx - they don't really know how they work? Plus when you watch the ads on TV it is clear that ALL Rx are very dangerous. Somebody had a damn good lawsuit somewhere for them to put those verbal notices at the end of each pharma ad.

IN addition to having to openly acknowledge that they don't really know how their Rx works we can add to that - in many cases they simply do not work. WTH are we doing? Best health care in the world? HA HA HA HA!

If you happen to go to mental health care practitioner or facility they will never even do basic blood work to find out what is wrong with you that might be causing supposed mentally ill symptoms. It is quite clear that this nebulous scientifically unsound diagnosis of mental illness is merely a cheap way out for doctors and their employers. Even the psychiatrist has all this medical training to supposedly help determine physical from mental cause. I have yet to ever meet one that actually does it. I would be drooling in a wheelchair right now if I actually ever believed the insane pronunciations of the last psychiatrist that I went to. Although I could no longer even walk she blithely called it all a mental illness. I knew she was full of sh*t - these people are effing DANGEROUS!