Thread: Trump to lift ban on importing elephant trophies from Africa

Originally Posted by MW

This is obviously about those American dollars for Zimbabwe and Zambia.

Yes, it's all about the money and revenue for the African countries and I understand a bit of it from their perspective, but come on, we know we can't trust these countries. I would rather send them money to preserve the elephants or have our rich elites send them a big pile of it. Such wonderful animals. Oh this is just sickening.

Trump has to reverse this immediately.

Judy wrote (excerpt):

This is wrong, wrong, wrong. I don't know what morons are telling you that killing off a species helps saves it, but it doesn't.

While I agree with you that lifting the ban is wrong, I must say that your above comment is not completely accurate. Thinning out an overpopulated herd can actually help the remaining population survive under certain circumstances. Of course this is something that is only necessary when the carrying capacity of the land is overextended. Too many animals and the heard will suffer starvation and disease (pretty miserable way to go). There must be enough water and food to go around. Just saying .....

Originally Posted by MW

Judy wrote (excerpt):



While I agree with you that lifting the ban is wrong, I must say that your above comment is not completely accurate. Thinning out an overpopulated herd can actually help the remaining population survive under certain circumstances. Of course this is something that is only necessary when the carrying capacity of the land is overextended. Too many animals and the heard will suffer starvation and disease (pretty miserable way to go). There must be enough water and food to go around. Just saying .....

Yes, I understand about that and thinning out, but there's no way for us to know if that is what they're doing. I don't trust the countries, and if money is involved, you can trust them even less. Maybe more information will come out during the review period. Other articles are going into more detail, the first one wasn't very complete. If it truly helps the elephants survive and grow the herds and pay for land and poaching protection, then there could be some benefits of this, but I just don't trust the other countries. Maybe they are more modern and more in control than I think, but Zimbabwe is right now under a military coup, so who knows if they can be relied upon at all about anything.

Trump admin. to reverse ban on elephant trophies from Africa

By STEPHANIE EBBS
Nov 15, 2017, 6:33 PM ET

The Trump administration plans to allow hunters to import trophies of elephants they killed in Zimbabwe and Zambia back to the United States, reversing a ban put in place by the Obama administration in 2014, a U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service official confirmed to ABC News today.

Even though elephants are listed as endangered under the Endangered Species Act, a provision in the act allows the government to give permits to import these trophies if there is evidence that the hunting actually benefits conservation for that species. The official said they have new information from officials in Zimbabwe and Zambia to support reversing the ban to allow trophy hunting permits.

"Legal, well-regulated sport hunting as part of a sound management program can benefit the conservation of certain species by providing incentives to local communities to conserve the species and by putting much-needed revenue back into conservation," a Fish and Wildlife spokesperson said in a statement.

This change only applies to elephants in those two countries but questions about using game hunting to generate money for conservation efforts also came up during the controversy after Cecil the lion was killed in Zimbabwe in 2015.

The government has not actually announced this policy change yet but it was reportedly announced at a wildlife forum in South Africa this week, according to Safari Club International, which filed a lawsuit to block the 2014 ban.

It's unclear how the current political situation in Zimbabwe could affect this decision, but a blog post from the president of the Humane Society points out that poaching has been a problem in Zimbabwe over the years and that the hunting industry there faces corruption issues.

A notice regarding this change will be posted in the Federal Register on Friday with more specifics on what new information justifies the changes.

The finding applies to elephants hunted in Zimbabwe on or after January 21, 2016, and on or before December 31, 2018, and elephants hunted in Zambia during 2016, 2017 and 2018 for applications that meet all other applicable permitting requirements, according to Fish and Wildlife spokesperson.

Savanna elephant populations declined by 30 percent across 18 countries in Africa from 2007 to 2014, according to the Great Elephant Census published last year, which put their remaining numbers at just over 350,000.

The elephant population declined 6 percent overall in Zimbabwe but dropped by 74 percent within one specific region. Elephants saw "substantial declines along the Zambezi River," in Zambia while other areas of that country were stable, according to the census.

The Fish and Wildlife Service has been talking with wildlife officials in Zimbabwe since the ban was announced in 2014. Since then, Zimbabwe officials have stepped up efforts to combat poaching, established a system to report financial benefit from American hunters, and provided more information on how officials establish hunting quotas, according to the text of the federal register notice that will be posted Friday.

The census reported around 82,000 elephants in Zimbabwe. Wildlife officials set annual quotas limiting hunting there to 500 elephants in different areas.

Elephant hunting has been banned in Zambia several times over the years due to declining population size but was re-established in 2015 after surveys found a larger population in some areas. Zambia is home to some 22,000 elephants, according to the census.

Tourists can hunt elephants on private game ranches or specified areas in Zambia, many of which are on the outskirts of national parks. Zambian officials also carry out anti-poaching efforts and manage elephant hunting through permits and quotas, according to the Federal Register notice. In 2016, 30 elephants were allowed to be killed there as trophies but the government reported that only 12 males were killed, according to the notice.

Fees paid by hunters are also used to fund the country's conservation efforts.

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