Thread: US CBP claim 75% of U.S. citizens agree with unreleased

Tuesday, November 15, 2011

US CBP claim 75% of U.S. citizens agree with unreleased US-Canadian security proposal

BTC--SEATTLE, WA --According to Canadian press outlets, plans to unveill a Beyond The Borders trilateral security proposal featuring a 30 point plan was deferred to a later date in December, 2011. Previous discussions of a secured continental perimeter included: a US-Canadian fence, expanded exchanges of intelligence and shared citizen identity data, including but not limited to a demand for biometric identity at the borders.

The controversial proposal has drawn criticisms and subsequent appeals for public input. North Americans exhibited concerns over interrupted commerce, mass loss of privacy and claims the formative trilateral government deliberately withheld information from discussions and meetings from U.S. media.

Press records show very little coverage specifics of the continental Security Perimeter meetings anywhere else in the world other than Canada. Notices of public input and press advisories issued by the United States government have not been covered by conventional US media outlets. Nevertheless, Canada’s Post-Leader reported US Customs and Border Patrol administration states 3 out of 4 Americans agree with the proposal and there is bi-partisan support from the US Congress.
Stateside reports an increase or escalation in interstate surveillance at the borders, interference with commerce and local property, and inquiries into abuses.
To date, the only available port of public input is through Canadian based Beyond The Border’s working group. Toronto protests in the Spring of 2011evolved as a response to Harper’s early closure of public input and refusal of grievances over earlier draft proposals. Public input was later extended to Canadians until June 3rd, 2011.
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Okay how can 75% of Americans agree with an unreleased security proposal that hasn't been released??????

Okay how can 75% of Americans agree with an unreleased security proposal that hasn't been released??????

Obviously because of the Pelosi Theorem. No one, including Congress, can know what is in the proposal until it is released, therefore at least 75% of us agree the proposal should be approved so that it can be released and we can then know what is in it. It is a known fact that we the people do not like Congress keeping secrets from us, and if this is the only way we can learn about stuff, then we just have go along with it. At least we will know about the details of the proposal at the same time as Congress, which you have to admit, sort of puts us on an equal footing.

For decades, the towns of Derby Line, Vt., and Stanstead, Quebec, have functioned as one community.

They share a sewer system, emergency services, snowplowing duties and the border-straddling Haskell Free Library and Opera House, where a skinny black line across the hardwood floor of the reading room marks the international border running through the property.

Work began Thursday, though, to erect of a pair of 5-foot-tall steel gates across two previously unguarded residential streets — a project that is dividing the towns physically but uniting them in displeasure.

Border authorities call the gates a necessary evil to stem smuggling and illegal alien crossings. Locals say there's enough security — surveillance cameras and patrols by U.S. Customs and Border Protection — as it is.

"I've always considered Derby and Stanstead like brother and sister," said Mary O'Donnell, 57, of Stanstead, walking into the library to use a computer Friday. "We've always been on friendly terms. Now, suddenly, 9/11 hits and everybody in the U.S. freaks out. So we're now going to get some really ugly things at the end of the streets that I don't think is going to serve much of a purpose."

Smuggling route?
The remote-controlled steel gates, which are in the process of being installed, will open for emergency vehicles, border agents and snow plows, but they will cut off automotive access by civilians on Phelps and Lee streets, which run perpendicular to the border.

"Over the years, we've noted that criminal smuggling organizations are bringing people in from all over the world to use those roads in the Derby Line area to smuggle people into the U.S. from Canada," said Mark Henry, operations officer for the U.S. Border Patrol. "People are also using those roads to smuggle people into Canada from the U.S."


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Many who are caught smuggling aliens across the border using the streets have been found to be in possession of maps — downloaded from the Internet — showing the layout, officials say.


Last month, an alleged con man who had confounded authorities all over the world was caught here. Juan Guzman-Betancourt told the Border Patrol he had unknowingly walked across the border into Vermont from Canada after his car broke down.

But by then, plans were already in the works for the gates, which will hang from two granite-faced steel posts on either side of the roadways.

One gate is being paid for by the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, the other by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security. They'll be maintained by both countries.


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"The USA has the right to take the measures, as a sovereign state has the right to take the measures it deems necessary to protect its borders and its people," said Andrew Preston, 70, of nearby Baldwin's Mills, Quebec. "But some of the fallout from that, unfortunately, is that it harms communities like these," said Preston, who was using the library Friday.

It's the psychological impact of tightened security that bothers some.

"We really don't consider the border a border," said drugstore owner Roland Roy, who sits on the three-member board of trustees for the Village of Derby Line. "We consider the village as all one. These gates split the community."

Two existing border crossings — one on Route 5 in Derby Line, another along Interstate 91 — handle most of the international traffic. The unguarded streets are used primarily by locals, many of them familiar faces to the border authorities.

For now, Church Street — which runs parallel to the others and leads to the front door of the Haskell Free Library — will remain unguarded, and with no gate.

"Church Street is unguarded, but that doesn't mean it's unwatched or unpatrolled," Henry said. "If we see there's a problem, we'll see what we have to do about it."

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