Results 1 to 2 of 2

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

  1. #1
    Senior Member AirborneSapper7's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2007
    South West Florida (Behind friendly lines but still in Occupied Territory)

    War on Christians in military just got uglier: VA SUED FOR HARASSING CHRISTIAN CHAPLA

    War on Christians in military just got uglier

    If you're a Muslim officer who goes on a murderous shooting rampage, shouting "Allahu Akbar!," the Pentagon will bend over backward to avoid saying anything that will offend Islam.

    But if you're a Christian officer who merely attempts to articulate your faith, watch out!

    The rules for Christians are VERY different ...


    Military pastors ordered to stop quoting Bible, leave Jesus at home

    Published: 3 hours ago

    Two military chaplains are suing Eric Shinseki, secretary of the U.S. Department of Veteran Affairs, or VA, for allegedly being harassed and drummed out of a training and placement program because of their Christian faith.
    Chaplains Major Steven Firtko, U.S. Army (Retired) and Lieutenant Commander Dan Klender, U.S. Navy, claim they were mocked, scolded and threatened for their faith while enrolled in the San Diego VA-DOD Clinical Pastoral Education Center program, which trains and distributes chaplains to military and VA medical centers in the San Diego area.

    According to their lawsuit, Firtko and Klender allege the Center’s supervisor, Ms. Nancy Dietsch, a VA employee, derided them in classrooms and even had one of them dismissed for failing to renounce his Christian beliefs.
    For example, on Sept. 24, 2012, the lawsuit claims, during a classroom discussion, Dietsch asked Firtko what he “believed faith was.”
    Firtko responded by quoting Hebrews 11:1 – “Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.”
    Dietsch told Firtko, on the first of several such instances according to the lawsuit, that he was not to quote the Bible in the chaplaincy program classroom.
    On another incident in October, Dietsch allegedly shouted at Firtko for quoting Scripture again, banging her fist on the table and stating “it made her feel like she had been pounded over her head with a sledge hammer.”
    The lawsuit also claims Dietsch told her students that the VA in general and she in particular do not allow chaplains to pray “in Jesus’ name” in public ceremonies.
    Dietsch is also accused of allowing other students to deride Firtko and Klender, mocking them in front of the class and telling Firtko if he held to his beliefs on such things as evolution, salvation and homosexuality, he “did not belong in this program.” Eventually, the lawsuit states, she threatened to dismiss Firtko for refusing to recant his Christian doctrine and ordered he serve a six-week probation.
    The lawsuit claims Chaplain Klender’s superior even encouraged him to challenge Dietsch for her “bias against evangelicals.”
    Klender later left the program voluntarily, citing Dietsch’s alleged abuse.
    Firtko, however, according to the lawsuit, was ejected from the program through a letter, signed by Dietsch, which stated his probation period was not “yielding the results” desired.
    In July, Firtko, Klender and their sponsoring organization, the Conservative Baptist Association of America, filed formal complaint against Dietsch and the VA.
    Now the lawsuit, filed with the help of Military-Veterans Advocacy, explains that Firtko and Klender have exhausted all administrative options and that the harassment the chaplains endured violates the federal Religious Freedom Restoration Act, the Administrative Procedures Act and the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.
    “No American choosing to serve in the armed forces should be openly ridiculed for his Christian faith, and that is most obviously true for chaplains participating in a chaplain training program,” said Commander J.B. Wells, U. S. Navy (Ret.), executive director of Military-Veterans Advocacy. “Not only was the treatment these men received inappropriate, it was also a violation of federal law and the religious freedom guarantees of the First Amendment.”
    The lawsuit, Conservative Baptist Association of America v. Shinseki, has been filed in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia.
    Join our efforts to Secure America's Borders and End Illegal Immigration by Joining ALIPAC's E-Mail Alerts network (CLICK HERE)

  2. #2
    Super Moderator Newmexican's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Heart of Dixie

    9 Nov 2013

    On November 8, a Christian group sued President Obama’s U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) through the VA’s Secretary Eric Shinseki for religious discrimination.

    The complaint filed in the U.S. District Court in Washington, D.C., Conservative Baptist Association v. Shinseki, alleges details of incidents where conservative Christians were denigrated for their orthodox beliefs while attending the Clinical Pastoral Education Center, run by the VA. It claims that on more than one occasion, the instructor barked, “Do not quote Scripture in this class!” when the plaintiffs expressed their religious beliefs on issues discussed in class.

    The complaint specifies instances where this occurred, such as when the VA instructor led exchanges on whether God is a man versus a woman, whether the Darwinian theory of evolution is a fact that Christians must accept, and whether salvation is through faith in Jesus Christ.

    Two chaplains—Dan Klender and Steven Firtko—were expelled from the chaplains’ program allegedly because of their traditional and orthodox Christian beliefs. The lawsuit seeks their reinstatement as VA chaplains, along with a declaration that their religious liberty was violated by the VA’s actions. It also seeks a federal court order that the VA cease discriminating against chaplains on the basis of those persons’ sincerely-held Christian beliefs.

Tags for this Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts