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    What Donald Trump doesn’t understand about calling women beautiful

    What Donald Trump doesn’t understand about calling women beautiful

    By Danielle Paquette September 17, 2015

    Donald Trump has jabbed Jeb Bush for being "low-energy." He scoffed at Scott Walker for appearing "slow." He proclaimed Marco Rubio has "the worst voting record there is today."

    But when his now-familiar scorn shifted to the other businessperson in the fight for the GOP nomination, he focused on her appearance.

    “Look at that face!” Trump said, according to a Rolling Stone interview. “Would anyone vote for that? Can you imagine that, the face of our next president?”

    After CNN debate moderator Jake Tapper pressed Fiorina for a response to the comments Wednesday, she coolly replied, “I think women all over this country heard very clearly what Mr. Trump said.”

    The audience cheered. “I think she’s got a beautiful face,” Trump countered in a softer tone, one he hadn’t used to address the nine other challengers, “and I think she’s a beautiful woman.”

    The line didn’t feel like a compliment.
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    Fiorina, the former chief executive of Hewlett-Packard, also happens to be the only female Republican aiming for the White House. She shared the primetime stage with ten men, offering her foreign policy prescriptions and calling for tougher military action. She was the only candidate to be called “beautiful.”

    Michael Kimmel, founder of Stony Brook University’s Center for the Study of Men and Masculinities, said Trump’s misguided praise sends a message: Fiorina’s thoughts are secondary to her body. The beauty of men in power, on that stage and generally, is rarely assessed.

    “One moment [Trump] denigrates women by their appearances - not even taking them seriously as actual people with ideas - and the next minute he talks about how beautiful they are -- and again not taking them seriously as actual people with ideas,” Kimmel said. “Either way, they're objects for him to either admire or denigrate. Either way, it's patronizing and, frankly, embarrassing.”

    Jackson Katz, author of “Leading Men: Presidential Campaigns and the Politics of Manhood,” said some men just don’t see why remarks on sex appeal can exasperate women.

    “People who don't have the experience of being judged first and foremost on their appearance, who aren't assessed this way 24-7, don’t understand why that’s so frustrating,” Katz said. “The fact that [Trump] hasn’t been booed off the stage for these kind of comments shows you how far we still have to come as a society.”

    The flattery seems more backhanded in the broader context of national data: Though half the workforce is female, only 5 percent of chief executives at Fortune 500 companies are women.

    Decades of research shows unconscious bias can block women from corner offices -- meaning: If a hiring manager has worked around mostly men, or if they grew up with the understanding that business is inherently masculine, they’re far more likely to hire a man.

    On the inverse, people who’ve bought into traditional gender roles are more likely to think that women should be kind, nurturing, aesthetically pleasing, more interested in child-rearing than the stock market. Not exactly the qualities one expects from a chief executive.

    Which is why the qualifier “beautiful” in a professional setting can feel dismissive.

    “What was disrespectful was interjecting her appearance into a discussion that should be about qualifications,” said Katie Packer Gage, co-founder of Burning Glass, a political consulting firm.

    “By saying she was beautiful, [Trump] showed that he doesn't get it.”

    Last week, another example of nice-sentiment-wrong-time went viral.

    Charlotte Proudman, a British family lawyer, tweeted a message she received on LinkedIn from a fellow London attorney: “I appreciate that this is probably horrendously politically incorrect but that is a stunning picture.”

    Some lauded her decision to share the note as honest and brave. Some wondered why she’d try to embarrass a man who complimented her. Some called her a “feminazi.”

    Proudman’s explanation attracted global attention.

    “I am on LinkedIn for businesses purposes, not to be approached about my physical appearance or to be objectified by sexist men,” she wrote. “The eroticisation of women’s physical appearance is a way of exercising power over women. It silences women’s professional attributes as their physical appearance becomes the subject.”
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    This issue over Trump's comment to a reporter who was traveling with him for a Rolling Stone magazine article is one created by the media.

    1. Trump didn't make this statement on television or radio. He didn't distribute the comment.

    2. Trump made the comment in private with the reporter on his plane while easing Nabisco cookies when Fiorina was on television making some statement about something.

    3. The reporter had no plans, intention or cause to include this passing comment in his article and did not.

    4. The female editor at Rolling Stone heard the comment that was recorded and told the reporter to put it in the article against the reporter's objection.

    5. The reporter calls Trump to apologize because he knows including it is not right, it's taken completely out of context and meaning and so often off the cuff comments or reactions are.

    6. No one reading the Rolling Stone article which I did found nothing wrong with it in its context.

    7. The television and other print media promote the statement out of context, separately from the whole article, to create an issue where there isn't one.

    8. Television analysts often comment on Fiorina's face, her expressions, saying over and over again, she needs to smile more, to look warmer, and blah, blah, blah, which is probably the same persona issue that Trump was observing when he made the off-handed comment.

    The real IRONY of this whole thing, is take a look at the women on Fox News, and CNN, what we often refer to as the Barbie Dolls of broadcasting and tell me that someone's appearance, their face, their persona, their expressions, or whatever in the hell you want to call it doesn't matter.

    Conclusion: broadcasters and commentators have all proved themselves to be the worst type of hypocrites.
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