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Pinestrawguys wrote

The Security and Prosperity Partnership. There ain't nothin' like a good coup d' etat to establish one's traitorous credentials.

Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America (SPP):
Myth vs. Fact

Myth: The SPP was an agreement signed by Presidents Bush and his Mexican and Canadian counterparts in Waco, TX, on March 23, 2005.

Fact: The SPP is a dialogue to increase security and enhance prosperity among the three countries. The SPP is not an agreement nor is it a treaty. In fact, no agreement was ever signed.

Myth: The SPP is a movement to merge the United States, Mexico, and Canada into a North American Union and establish a common currency.

Fact: The cooperative efforts under the SPP, which can be found in detail at www.spp.gov, seek to make the United States, Canada and Mexico open to legitimate trade and closed to terrorism and crime. It does not change our courts or legislative processes and respects the sovereignty of the United States, Mexico, and Canada. The SPP in no way, shape or form considers the creation of a European Union-like structure or a common currency. The SPP does not attempt to modify our sovereignty or currency or change the American system of government designed by our Founding Fathers.

Myth: The SPP is being undertaken without the knowledge of the U.S. Congress.

Fact: U.S. agencies involved with SPP regularly update and consult with members of Congress on our efforts and plans.

Myth: The SPP infringes on the sovereignty of the United States.

Fact: The SPP respects and leaves the unique cultural and legal framework of each of the three countries intact. Nothing in the SPP undermines the U.S. Constitution. In no way does the SPP infringe upon the sovereignty of the United States.

Myth: The SPP is illegal and violates the Constitution.

Fact: The SPP is legal and in no way violates the Constitution or affects the legal authorities of the participating executive agencies. Indeed, the SPP is an opportunity for the governments of the United States, Canada, and Mexico to discuss common goals and identify ways to enhance each nation’s security and prosperity. If an action is identified, U.S. federal agencies can only operate within U.S. law to address these issues. The Departments of Commerce and Homeland Security coordinate the efforts of the agencies responsible for the various initiatives under the prosperity and security pillars of the SPP. If an agency were to decide a regulatory change is desirable through the cooperative efforts of SPP, that agency is required to conform to all existing U.S. laws and administrative procedures, including an opportunity to comment.

Myth: The SPP will cost U.S. taxpayers money.

Fact: The SPP is being implemented with existing budget resources. Over the long-term, it will save U.S. taxpayers money by cutting through costly red tape and reducing redundant paperwork. This initiative will benefit the taxpayers through economic gain and increased security, thereby enhancing the competitiveness and quality of life in our countries.

Myth: The working groups and SPP documents are a secret and not available to the public.

Fact: The SPP’s initiatives and milestones with timelines can be found by clicking the Report to Leaders link at www.spp.gov. The Web site contains a section to enable interested persons to provide input directly to the various working groups.

Myth: The SPP seeks to lower U.S. standards through a regulatory cooperation framework.

Fact: The framework will support and enhance cooperation and encourage the compatibility of regulations among the three partners while maintaining high standards of health and safety. Enhanced cooperation in this area will provide consumers with more affordable, safer, and more diversified and innovative products. Any regulatory changes will require agencies to conform to all U.S. administrative procedures, including an opportunity to comment.

Myth: The SPP is meant to deal with immigration reform and trade disputes.

Fact: Immigration reform is a legislative matter currently being debated in Congress and is not being dealt with in the SPP. Likewise, trade disputes between the United States, Canada, and Mexico are resolved in the NAFTA and WTO mechanisms and not the SPP.

Myth: The SPP will result in the loss of American jobs.

Fact: The SPP seeks to create jobs by reducing transaction costs and unnecessary burdens for U.S. companies, which will bolster the competitiveness of our firms globally. These efforts will help U.S. manufacturers, spur job creation, and benefit consumers.

Myth: The SPP will harm our quality of life.

Fact: The SPP improves the safety and well-being of Americans. It builds on efforts to protect our environment, improves our ability to combat infectious diseases, such as avian influenza, and ensures our food supply is safe through the exchange of information and cooperation ─ improving the quality of life for U.S. citizens. Americans enjoy world class living standards because we are engaged with the world.

Myth: The SPP creates a NAFTA-plus legal status between the three countries.

Fact: The SPP does not seek to rewrite or renegotiate NAFTA. It creates no NAFTA-plus legal status.



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Prior to 9/11, OBL was not seen at the level of threat he is seen now. They attack Clinton to take the public’s mind off of the mess he has made all over the middle east and his failure to get OBL.

CLINTON or BUSH........they're both TRASH

FYI: Most people have absolutely NO KNOWLEDGE of the Muslim problem that has existed for well over 30 years! Please don't spew crap about OBL {it's UBL for accuracy} not seen as a high threat level as that's a lie that the American people have been fed. We've had intel on the ground there since the late 50's very early 60's. Bin Laden has been on the radar screen for quite a while. Stop blaming one person and blame all the scumbags that turned a blind eye.

When the USS COLE was bombed Clinton proved what a piece of shit he was!! That, my friends, was an all out act of war according to our laws. That pissant couldn't get his head out of his ass and neither can Bush. They should have retaliated before one could blink an eye. Furthermore, had this government taken the proper action when the Cole was hit, we would never have had 9/11
They had a bead on Bin Laden almost immediately but Clinton called the hunt off. My cousin still lays in the rubble of Towers because Clinton is a castrated, selfish, egomaniacal, narcisistic, son of a bitch, communist AND the Bush administration was too damned busy trying to shore up a decimated military thanx to Clinton. The Cole was UNARMED.....get that? The Cole should never, ever have been in that port for refueling but Clinton demanded that the Navy refuel in hostile ports to make nice nice.

Do your homework folks..........this crap has been passed down from one administration to another since Viet Nam!!! Get YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT.

Clinton is just as much as an North American Union maniac as is Bush

Originally Posted by Shapka

Originally Posted by dyehard39

Evidence showed that he did try to get OBL and he failed.

LOL...no.

http://www.uncmirror.com/vnews/display. ... a2ac0cb417

No is correct, SHAPKA.........them there are Klinton's words, NOT FACT.

2ndamendsis wrote:

When the USS COLE was bombed Clinton proved what a piece of V****V he was!! That, my friends, was an all out act of war according to our laws. That pissant couldn't get his head out of his ass and neither can Bush

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Amen!!!!

Originally Posted by dyehard39

Prior to 9/11, OBL was not seen at the level of threat he is seen now.

What are you talking about?

Before September 11th, 2001 he had an Interpol warrant for his capture for the previous five years, had a federal grand jury indictment-and conviction in absentia-that was three years old, and had been the subject of eight previous seizure attempts that Bill Clinton and national security brain trust surrounding that inept administration called off.

Myth: The SPP was an agreement signed by Presidents Bush and his Mexican and Canadian counterparts in Waco, TX, on March 23, 2005.

Fact: The SPP is a dialogue to increase security and enhance prosperity among the three countries. The SPP is not an agreement nor is it a treaty. In fact, no agreement was ever signed.

Does this just say it was a talk or does it say agreement?

North American Leaders Unveil Security and Prosperity Partnership
Bush, Fox, Martin outline trilateral efforts during March 23 meeting

President George W. Bush.

President Bush, Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin and Mexican President Vicente Fox announced the establishment of the "Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America" in a March 23 joint statement.

Convening that same day in Waco, Texas, for a trilateral meeting, the North American leaders said the security and prosperity of their nations are "mutually dependent and complementary" and explained the impetus for the new initiative.

"In a rapidly changing world, we must develop new avenues of cooperation that will make our open societies safer and more secure, our businesses more competitive, and our economies more resilient," they said in their statement.

The leaders indicated that the North American partnership will work to achieve these ends and "is committed to reach the highest results to advance the security and well-being of our people."

As part of their efforts to protect North America from external threats, to prevent and respond to threats within North America, and to streamline legitimate cross-border trade and travel, the three countries will implement common border-security strategies, enhance infrastructure protection, implement a common approach to emergency response, implement improvements to aviation and maritime security, enhance intelligence partnerships, combat transnational threats, and implement a border-facilitation strategy.

To improve North American competitiveness and enhance the quality of life in the region, the partnership participants will pursue regulatory cooperation while maintaining high health and safety standards. The North American nations will also promote sectoral cooperation in energy, transportation, financial services, technology and other areas. Other initiatives include reducing the costs of trade and enhancing environmental stewardship.

To pursue the partnership mandate, ministerial-level working groups will be established to set specific, measurable, achievable goals and identify concrete steps toward these goals. Within 90 days, the ministers will issue initial reports. Thereafter, the groups will report semi-annually, the three leaders said in their statement.

Following is the text of the joint statement, as released by the White House:

THE WHITE HOUSE
Office of the Press Secretary
(Crawford, Texas)
March 23, 2005

Joint Statement by President Bush, President Fox, and Prime Minister Martin Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America

We, the elected leaders of Canada, Mexico, and the United States, gather in Texas to announce the establishment of the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America.

Over the past decade, our three nations have taken important steps to expand economic opportunity for our people and to create the most vibrant and dynamic trade relationship in the world. Since September 11, 2001, we have also taken significant new steps to address the threat of terrorism and to enhance the security of our people.

But more needs to be done. In a rapidly changing world, we must develop new avenues of cooperation that will make our open societies safer and more secure, our businesses more competitive, and our economies more resilient.

Our Partnership will accomplish these objectives through a trilateral effort to increase the security, prosperity, and quality of life of our citizens. This work will be based on the principle that our security and prosperity are mutually dependent and complementary, and will reflect our shared belief in freedom, economic opportunity, and strong democratic values and institutions. Also, it will help consolidate our action into a North American framework to confront security and economic challenges, and promote the full potential of our people, addressing disparities and increasing opportunities for all.


Our Partnership is committed to reach the highest results to advance the security and well-being of our people. The Partnership is trilateral in concept; while allowing any two countries to move forward on an issue, it will create a path for the third to join later.

Advancing our Common Security

We will establish a common approach to security to protect North America from external threats, prevent and respond to threats within North America, and further streamline the secure and efficient movement of legitimate, low-risk traffic across our shared borders. As part of our efforts, we will:

-- Implement common border-security and bio-protection strategies;

-- Enhance critical infrastructure protection, and implement a common approach to emergency response;

-- Implement improvements in aviation and maritime security, combat transnational threats, and enhance intelligence partnerships; and

-- Implement a border-facilitation strategy to build capacity and improve the legitimate flow of people and cargo at our shared borders.

Advancing our Common Prosperity

We will work to enhance North American competitiveness and improve the quality of life of our people. Among other things, we will:

-- Improve productivity through regulatory cooperation to generate growth, while maintaining high standards for health and safety;

-- Promote sectoral collaboration in energy, transportation, financial services, technology, and other areas to facilitate business; and invest in our people;

-- Reduce the costs of trade through the efficient movement of goods and people; and

-- Enhance the stewardship of our environment, create a safer and more reliable food supply while facilitating agricultural trade, and protect our people from disease.

Next Steps

We will establish Ministerial-led working groups that will consult with stakeholders in our respective countries. These working groups will respond to the priorities of our people and our businesses, and will set specific, measurable, and achievable goals. They will identify concrete steps that our governments can take to meet these goals, and set implementation dates that will permit a rolling harvest of accomplishments.

Within 90 days, Ministers will report back to us with their initial report. Following this, the groups will report on a semi-annual basis. Because the Partnership will be an ongoing process of cooperation, new items will be added to the work agenda by mutual agreement as circumstances warrant.

Through this Partnership, we will ensure that North America remains the most economically dynamic region of the world and a secure home for our people in this and future generations.


Created: 23 Mar 2005 Updated: 23 Mar 2005
http://usinfo.state.gov/is/Archive/2005 ... 09281.html

Myth: The SPP was an agreement signed by Presidents Bush and his Mexican and Canadian counterparts in Waco, TX, on March 23, 2005.

Fact: The SPP is a dialogue to increase security and enhance prosperity among the three countries. The SPP is not an agreement nor is it a treaty. In fact, no agreement was ever signed.

JP
With ALL the research that we have done, documented and POSTED pertaining to the SPP, Nafta Highway, North American Union, treaties/agreements, CFR AND their political backers, I'm surprised to see the above piece posted.

HOWEVER, it does prove that people have been hoodwinked and the TRUTHS of the war for our sovereignty and land have been burried from the public.

We need to rethink this as it's directly linked to the ILLEGALS/Open Borders issue.

SAILOR
we need a 'link' to the Myth/Truth piece. It's already been debunked by documentation.

Originally Posted by 2ndamendsis

Myth: The SPP was an agreement signed by Presidents Bush and his Mexican and Canadian counterparts in Waco, TX, on March 23, 2005.

Fact: The SPP is a dialogue to increase security and enhance prosperity among the three countries. The SPP is not an agreement nor is it a treaty. In fact, no agreement was ever signed.

JP
With ALL the research that we have done, documented and POSTED pertaining to the SPP, Nafta Highway, North American Union, treaties/agreements, CFR AND their political backers, I'm surprised to see the above piece posted.

HOWEVER, it does prove that people have been hoodwinked and the TRUTHS of the war for our sovereignty and land have been burried from the public.

We need to rethink this as it's directly linked to the ILLEGALS/Open Borders issue.

SAILOR
we need a 'link' to the Myth/Truth piece. It's already been debunked by documentation.

Sis,
The myths and facts are now posted on www.spp.gov at http://www.spp.gov/myths_vs_facts.asp

They figure if they tell us that it is not so then it is the truth.

The information I posted is from the State Department's own web site. Which was posted on the date it was given nearly 3 years ago.

Of course they are all linked, that's how I got caught up with it. I kept doing research on CAFTA, NAFTA and the FTAA and kept finding immigration issues melded into them.

JP
Let me try that again, lol.

Of course we know they're linked but what I meant is that most people aren't aware of the connections and documentation that we have.

My thought is that we should rethink how we might get the info out in a more easily understood manner. Perhaps a simple timeline/connection type thing. {thinking out loud here} Something that is simple yet connects the info. Not sure if I'm painting the picture.

Going to the SPP sight for 'documentation' is a mind blower to me. You know, ask the fox to guard the hen house type of situation.

OH! What if we simply reversed it? Put together a piece just as they've done only DEBUNKING their bull*** with links to the docs!! LOVE IT
It could be read, printed out, passed around or emailed.

What do ya think?