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    Don't Shoot the Messenger Please

    We understand that many of you are disappointed, as are we, with the contents of today's press release and research about Donald Trump.

    Several people have contacted us saying they will no longer support ALIPAC because we are circulating "anti Donald Trump propaganda."

    Before you shoot the messenger because that is easier than looking at the facts, please join the majority of our supporters and click on the blue links in today's release to access the supporting materials.

    These links take you to the video of Trump's comments on Fox News last night and the other supporting documents and articles.

    Yes, Trump talks about illegals leaving but then says he can have them right back into the US. For those of us that have fought amnesty for many years this is familiar to us. It was once called the "touchback provision" amnesty, also known as the "Pence Plan."

    Mike Huckabee took the lead in the GOP primary of 2008 (and won in Iowa) when he said he would make the illegals leave! But when people found out he was talking about them leaving for only a day and then returning is popularity collapsed! We lost some supporters then too. Some people walked away from ALIPAC because they did not like the news we had to share about their choice for President.

    ALIPAC's mission is to tell everyone the truth to the best of our abilities in our dedication to fighting against illegal immigration and against any form of amnesty that would take us all to the same place those supporting this invasion want to take America in the first place.

    If Donald Trump's positions and statements in these reports bother you, please direct your anger, disappointment, and concerns at Donald Trump as he is the one who made the comments. ALIPAC is merely doing our job of reporting the facts to you even though much of the information coming in about illegal immigration, illegal immigrants, the gangs, the casualties, and the tricks and distortions of politicians is not pleasant subject matter.

    There are a lot of great candidates who agree with us all about illegal immigration and amnesty in 2016, and if you want to drop your support for ALIPAC because you dislike our reporting of the facts about Donald Trump, then you are going to hurt the very cause you say you support and the candidates who do not support amnesty who are running.

    Our website, email accounts, and phone lines are always open to you for constructive feedback. But if your message is, "I like Trump and I don't like you because you would dare question his positions and so I quit," well that is one of the reasons the illegal aliens and their supporters are succeeding so much in America today.

    A lot of people were not happy to hear the bad news from ALIPAC about Mike Huckabee, Rick Perry, and Newt Gingrich when they were in the lead in the GOP primaries of 2008 or 2012 and their campaigns were then sent to last place when their support for amnesty was revealed. If ALIPAC had not helped to burst their bubbles and expose their true positions, you could have ended up with another GOP President you thought would fight illegal immigration that in fact supports amnesty for illegals!

    Please review our documentation and if you wish to challenge our findings or source materials or interpretations, we welcome thoughtful and constructive feedback and input.

    Press release about Trump amnesty comments
    http://www.alipac.us/f8/trumps-suppo...mpaign-321598/

    Video of Trump on Fox News
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuLwga5oiAM

    NumbersUSA Downgrade of Donald Trump
    https://www.numbersusa.com/blog/pro-...ts-new-ratings

    ALIPAC Trump Amnesty Support Profile Page with documentation
    http://www.alipac.us/f34/donald-trum...aliens-321599/

    TMZ Article and ALIPAC Activist research and discussion on Trump allowing illegals today (started June 28 )
    http://www.alipac.us/f9/donald-trump...ay-u-s-320744/


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    PS: We appreciate all of you who, even though we don't all agree all the time, continue to stand with us against the costly and deadly illegal alien invasion and overthrow of our American homeland.
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    I figured a lot of people would get their knickers in a twist about this!
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    I'm personally unsure where to stand at the moment. I first off don't blame ALIPAC for taking its stance now against Trump. I still think Trump has the right starter idea's and could be a work in progress and unless he does a complete flip it would be awhile before any talk on a form of Amnesty as I still think he wants to secure the border real hard first and do a serious crackdown on illegal aliens with criminal records. Now of course I'd much rather Santorum myself.

    However the problem I see is Walker and Santorum I don't think have any chance of winning the Primary even if Trump dropped out and would be a very big longshot at winning the general election. Walker has had to much bad press with because of Unions and with such is likely to not be able to get many independents and moderate Dems that would be needed. Santorum to most I think is a very big unknown name and name recognition means a lot even if its bad recognition. Sheeple would rather vote for the devil they know then the unknown while those of us with a brain would be more apt for the unknown then the known devil. I really think if its not Trump then Bush would win the Primary or Rubio and both of them would be 100x worse then Trump.

    At some point have to face reality that certain faces just have no chance no matter how much we like them. But I would still agree with ALIPAC and others faces of on the front showing that we won't tolerate this in hopes that somehow the message gets across. I just hope when it comes time to vote people face reality if it hasn't changed by then to do what is needed to make sure its NOT Hillary (or any of the current Dems), NOT Bush, and NOT Rubio. If that mean's sucking it up seeing we can't get our way we should at least do what we can to get at least some of it done and hope we can get the rest down the road somehow.
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    I think folks are just venting their frustrations and will eventually understand how important it is that they know all the details about the candidates. As we've all heard before ..... 'the truth can sometimes hurt.'

    ReformUSA2012, I would disagree with your feelings regarding Walker. I personally think he has an excellent chance at getting the nomination if his message of support for the 'rule of law' remains consistent. Currently most polls have him in the top 3. I do agree with you on Santorum. For whatever reason he just doesn't seem to be getting any traction. Honestly, I'm a little surprised by it.

    For the record, I never did jump on the Trump bandwagon because I had some serious trust issues with the man. Obviously my failure to trust him was not misplaced. At the first sign of pressure from the pro-amnesty groups he folded. I saw it coming when he immediately started defending his initial position by telling us how he loved the Mexicans and how the Mexicans loved him.
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    Look here for a more indepth summary of Trumps policy on Illegal Immigration

    If you look at what Trump has said specifically about illegal immigration from Mexico, you get a different perspective. Check here for previous statements and conversation on the subject.

    http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Dona...mmigration.htm

    You can also check the position of all of the candidates at the same website.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Socrates View Post
    If you look at what Trump has said specifically about illegal immigration from Mexico, you get a different perspective. Check here for previous statements and conversation on the subject.

    http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Dona...mmigration.htm

    You can also check the position of all of the candidates at the same website.
    Some of that stuff doesn't jive with what he has said over the last couple days. For example, we now know he does actually support a path to legalization for illegal immigrants. Furthermore, he also said legal immigration should be made easier, not harder as the link you posted states. I guess it's easy to talk a tough game, but the real test of ones character and conviction comes when the pressure is turned on.
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