Thread: Am I wrong about the 14th Admendment Section 1?

Originally Posted by My_Constitution

The 14th Amendment Section 1 states:

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

During the ratification debates over the amendment in 1866, Sen. Lyman Trumbull of Illinois, who was chairman of the Judiciary Committee, defined the phrase: "The provision is that 'all persons born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens.' That means subject to the complete jurisdiction thereof. ... What do we mean by 'subject to the jurisdiction of the United States?' Not owing allegiance to anybody else. That is what it means."

We can see corroboration for the importance of allegiance by looking at the Oath of Allegiance which all legal immigrants must swear, to become citizens. That oath begins, "I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen;"

Based on Trumbull's statement of the importance of allegiance and the text of the Oath of Allegiance, we can see that illegal aliens cannot possibly convey citizenship to their offspring, because that status was never theirs to convey. If the authors of the 14th Amendment knew what was being done in their names, they'd be spinning in their graves.
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Welcome to Alipac My_Constitution.Glad to have you here

Hey duckman, as a Native American I unfortunately have to correct you about Natives and gun smuggling! As you may or may not know Canada has a law about owning and possessing hand guns, there is a high demand for guns on the black market. As Natives we are allowed to possess some guns a lot more freely than people who don't live on a rez!

These are my people and it does happen, I'll give you just a snippet:

But as Godelie learned three years ago, the tobacco business can be organized crime at a worrisome, reckless level. At the heart of it all is the 12-mile stretch of the U.S.-Canada border that runs through Akwesasne. It is a major security soft spot, with marijuana and cocaine flowing south while tobacco and, sometimes, weapons come north. The fact that goods can pass from the Mohawk community of St. Regis on the U.S. side to Akwesasne on the Canadian side and then enter non-Indian communities unchecked is a major problem for authorities. When the St. Lawrence River ices over, smugglers take a winter road between the two communities. When the ice melts, the speedboats come out. In one February case, U.S. authorities arrested 10 people, alleging they were part of a ring that smuggled 50,000 pounds of marijuana through Akwesasne and into the United States from 2003 to January of this year. One of the ringleaders has a tobacco manufacturing license from the Canadian government.

http://www.thecuttingedgenews.com/in...?article=11372

Originally Posted by avenger

I think the key phrase in the 14th that is being abused is "subject to the jurisdiction of." If you read the transcripts of the debate of the wording of the amendment when it was enacted the term "illegal alien" was used and it referred to those that were NOT subject to the jurisdiction of the United States. This has been overlooked and twisted to fit the socialist agenda.

BYNGO! "Jurisdiction Thereof!" The Constitution has been BASTARDISED! I am starting a course on the CONSTITUTION tonight. I figure If I am educated on all of these points- I can give hell to the Progressyyyves who are trying to urinate on our Precious Constitution. They have warped brains.

Our FOUNDING FATHERS WOULD NOT LIKE HAVING ANCHOR BABIES PLOPPED ON OUR SOIL!