Thread: Amnesty never have and never will work

Amnesty never have and never will work to solve any illegal immigration problem.

In the failed immigration bill it would have made no sense to give legal status to all those that came in before 1-07after a 24hr background check. Many of those are criminal illegal aliens and terrorist and they both came in to do harm to Americans. Illegal aliens have killed more Americans than terrorist. That would have made anyone that had came into this country in just over 5 months legal and they would not have a background in America to check and not having ever been finger printed. Many criminals are never caught if they have never been finger printed.

They only way to bring them out of the shadows is to enforce workplace laws. They will not be able to work and they will leave. Those who will not leave will not be in the workplace and probable are criminals and terrorist.

Amnesty will not bring criminal illegal immigrants or terrorist out of the shadows and we are not going to round them up, put them in jail or deport them. We will just not look for them as we have not look for illegal aliens to deport them.

Nothing in the bill would have worked. Surely not amnesty. Amnesty would give many criminal illegal immigrants and terrorist legal status with a path to citizenship for $5,000 in fines.

Since the 1986 amnesty we have more illegals, criminals, terrorist and drugs. Another amnesty would just be more of the same all for an unending supply of cheap and labor future votes.
Have them all leave by deportation or attrition by enforcing work place laws. Then, we would never have to deal with illegal immigration again. Only way to know who is in this country is by controlled immigration. At that time they should be fingerprinted and a background check in the countries.

Has anyone seen today's Charlotte Observor editorial on page 12A, titled "Failure in the Senate"? I am so LIVID! I called the editorial dept.
at the paper (got an answering machine, left a message) to demand to know who wrote it. Isn't it great that in order to submit an editorial to the Observor, the average Joe has to include his full name and town? But the gutless Editorial staff puts in its own garbage out there without a name on it!
As soon as I can get these nails spit out and my blood pressure down, I'm going to try to find it online and post it. I'm in such a RAGE now I can hardly function.

reform_now,

You must mean this one. It comes complete with a comment section!

http://www.charlotte.com/171/story/181767.html

EDITORIALS
Failure in the Senate
Immigration bill's demise assures chaotic status quo

Many North Carolinians agree with Sen. Elizabeth Dole's opposition to offering illegal immigrants a path to lawful status. Just as many agree the nation needs greater proof the Mexican border will be made secure.

Yet Sen. Dole did not act in the state's interest when she led the conservative opposition that helped kill a decent overhaul of the nation's broken immigration system. Sen. Dole, along with Sen. Richard Burr, R-N.C., and Sen. Jim DeMint, R-S.C., let down their Carolinas constituents when they helped slam the door on that legislation in the U.S. Senate.

The bill wasn't perfect. But it would have ended the chaotic status quo -- a welcome step for the Carolinas, where as many as 400,000 illegal immigrants live.

Those three senators took a disappointing hard line on lawful status and border security, issues that called for practical compromise, not rigid ideology. Contrast that to the leadership shown by Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., who offered crucial amendments that provided funding for border security and middle ground on guest worker wages.

Opponents such as Sen. Dole stirred up deep emotions by calling the bill's path to citizenship for illegal immigrants "amnesty." But it was not. The provision required fines, fees and other steps before offering any hope of citizenship -- a fair, realistic approach.

Critics' rhetoric about border security was off key, too. Sen. Graham's amendment would have guaranteed $4.4 billion a year for guards, technology and barricades.

It's unlikely there will be a serious effort to fix immigration policy until after the 2008 election. Meanwhile, the problems will get worse. Here's what Americans can expect in the two to three years before Congress takes up this issue again:

• At least an additional million illegal immigrants will likely arrive.

• More employers will hire more illegal immigrants and exploit them by paying rock-bottom wages and ignoring worker safety laws.

• Companies that need foreign workers and want to bring them here legally won't have a means to do that in sufficient numbers.

• We'll still have an unsecured border, one patrolled without extensive electronic surveillance and without additional border guards.

The bill's failure makes it especially difficult for immigration centers such as Charlotte, since an estimated 12 million illegal immigrants in the nation will remain in a shadow world. They perform work that's vital to the economy, yet live an ambiguous existence, making assimilation, education and law enforcement much, much harder.

Immigration is a federal issue, yet its effects are felt locally. That means this bill's demise is a hollow victory for opponents such as Sen. Dole. Making life harder for the communities you represent is nothing to brag about.

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Thanks, Stokeybob!

Opponents such as Sen. Dole stirred up deep emotions by calling the bill's path to citizenship for illegal immigrants "amnesty." But it was not. The provision required fines, fees and other steps before offering any hope of citizenship -- a fair, realistic approach.

And this is the deception. Sure, theoretically, to becomes "citizens" the illegals would have had to go through some (in my opinion) meager steps (steps which, if this bill passed, would have been weakened by ethnic pressure groups and/or ignored and not enforced). But with the infamous Z-visas, they wouldn't have to become citizens, they would be instantly, permanently legalized and entitled to the same rights as citizens.

And I wonder how many families of American convicts would gladly pay a measly $5,000 to get their criminals amnesty?

Whoever wrote this stinking piece needs to have their shoes spit on.