Thread: Arizona reversal on laws against illegals?

Business owners addicted to cheap labor are worse than drug addicts being forced to get clean.

Exactly. Am I supposed to break down in tears because some business owner can no longer make millions? While average Americans deal with all the fallout: overcrowding, rising crime rates, governments going broke. A lot of these businesses only exist BECAUSE of the rising population of illegals. And in nearly every case they could find an American to do the job---if they would get out of ther snobbery and hire those who are typically rejected for reasons that have nothing to do with their abilities.

FYI, related:

Arizona Governor signs employer sanctions law
Last Edited: Thursday, 01 May 2008, 6:16 PM MST
Created: Thursday, 01 May 2008, 6:16 PM MST

By JACQUES BILLEAUD
Associated Press Writer

PHOENIX (AP) -- Gov. Janet Napolitano approved revisions Thursday to an Arizona law that prohibits employers from knowingly hiring illegal immigrants yet has been criticized as being unfair to businesses.

The bill the Democratic governor signed into law clarifies that Arizona's employer sanctions applied only to workers hired in this and subsequent years and creates protections for businesses that make good-faith efforts to follow the rules.

"It addressed not all but most of the issues that she addressed last year," said Napolitano spokeswoman Jeanine L'Ecuyer, whose boss signed the original law but pointed out what she felt were its weaknesses.

The original law, which took effect in January, was intended to lessen the economic incentive for illegal immigrants to come to Arizona, the busiest illegal crossing point in the United States. Illegal immigrants account for an estimated one in 10 workers in the Arizona economy.

Businesses that knowingly hire illegal immigrants could face a business license suspension lasting up to 10 days. Second-time violators would have their business licenses permanently revoked. The law also requires businesses to verify the employment eligibility of its workers through a federal database.

Business groups have sought to overturn the law, but a federal judge upheld it, and the ruling has been appealed. Groups also have taken steps to try to put two other employer sanctions proposals on the November ballot.

While favoring some changes in the rules, business groups still groused about other elements of the law and said only the federal government should have authority to crack down on illegal hirings.

"We see it as relief. The clarifications in the bill are important," said Ann Seiden, a spokeswoman for the Arizona Chamber of Commerce and Industry, one of the groups challenging the law.

The groups failed to persuade lawmakers to prohibit people from making anonymous complaints under the law. They believe such complaints leave employers open to harassment from competitors or disgruntled workers. Instead, one of the revisions says the rules can't be interpreted to prohibit anonymous complaints.

A clear victory for business was narrowing the employees to whom the law applies. The original law was unclear about whether it applied to all employees on the payroll or those hired after the law took effect Jan. 1. The revisions now clarify that the law applies only to workers hired this year and after.

The law also was changed to create a compliance program in which participants would do the database checks and check the Social Security numbers of workers who aren't verified through the database.

Participants, who also would have to provide prosecutors documents showing employees were verified through either method, wouldn't be in violation of the law if they acted in good faith in doing the verifications and providing the necessary records.

"Is it as tough as I like? Probably not," said Republican Rep. Russell Pearce of Mesa, author of the original law and its revisions. "But is it fair and will it still go after illegal employers? Absolutely."

Pearce noted a change that was meant to target unscrupulous employers who would insulate themselves by hiring subcontractors who then employ illegal immigrants.

Under the latest changes, employers would violate the law if they used subcontractors who were known to employ illegal immigrants.

Two groups have taken steps to put employer sanction measures on the November ballot.

Advocates for tougher immigration enforcement are pushing a proposal that would revoke the licenses of first-time violators. Under current law, revocation would come after a second offense.

A business-backed proposal would make the crime of identity theft cover employers who knowingly accept false identification when hiring and broaden a prohibition against hiring illegal immigrants on a cash-only basis.

Pearce, a leader in the group pushing the more stringent measure, said he believes his side would be open to setting aside its proposal if the organizers of the business-backed measure would agree to do the same and give the changes a chance to work.

Andrew Pacheco, chairman of the other ballot proposal, said he would continue taking steps to put the measure on the ballot.

"We are not opposed to a legislative fix," Pacheco said. "We just don't think this is it."

http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/myfox/pages ... geId=3.2.1

There IS labor in the person of AMERICANS and LEGAL residents, but the greedy business DON'T want to PAY for it!

I believe a lot of qualified Americans are being marginalized---they are being overlooked in favor of others who score more points in the popularity contest: Better looking, younger, different attitude, more agreable politics. The Powers That Be are very selfish in determining who they want in their businesses--and lately that has meant preferring immigrants to Americans who may be too overweight, unattractive, etc for their tastes.

The bad thing is that the Illegal workers are fooling themselves, they are not cheap labor. They are volenteering themselves to be a modern day Slave! Below min wage, lots of hours, no company benefits, that is slavery to me.

Then this is what you get
MCSO: Illegal immigrant rapes, impregnates girl, 11
May 2nd, 2008 @ 3:38pm
by KPHO.com

An 18-year-old illegal immigrant has been arrested in connection with the rape of an 11-year-old girl, Maricopa County sheriff's deputies said.

Enrique Jacobo-Valdez was booked into the Fourth Avenue Jail on two counts of sexual conduct with a minor.

Jacobo-Valdez, who is known to the young girl's family, is currently unemployed and had a warrant out for his arrest from Pinal County for possession of dangerous drugs, deputies said.

The sheriff's office said it dispatched deputies after receiving a phone call Thursday from the victim's grandmother indicating that she found the 11-year-old locked inside a bedroom.

The man was running from the home when the girl finally opened the door, sheriff's investigators said.

The grandmother and mother of the victim took the girl to a local hospital where it was determined that she is at least six weeks pregnant and may have been impregnated by the rape, deputies said.

Jacobo-Valdez returned to the girls' home where he was arrested by deputies for the Pinal County felony warrant, according to MCSO.

During an interrogation, he admitted raping the 11-year-old, sheriff's deputies said.

Here's the CNN video:


http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d2a_1209687440

Sound like allowing only Ag workers on temp visa's. I though they already had visa's for crop pickers and they were unlimited

We have 2 just in the last 3 weeks for the same crime in jail

An 18-year-old illegal immigrant has been arrested in connection with the rape of an 11-year-old girl, Maricopa County sheriff's deputies said.

If anyone noticed, on one hand the msm is saying that unemployment is getting out of control @ 5% and on the other hand the msm is saying businesses can't find enough labor, which is it? the people are stupid for believing all of this.

Talk about a biased report!