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    Am I Wrong To Think Like This?

    As we are all aware we are being hit on every side with the Patriot Act, Illegals, the push for a merger with Canad and Mexico and the War.

    However, something got me think. God I hope I'm wrong. Has anyone notice when when we went into Iraq, we went full force and fought forceably. Then later the fierce fighting then began to pullback, and that is when our men began to being killed. God again I hope I am wrong, it seems as if they are sitting ducks. God here is my question.... Can it be possible that our men are being sent out there in order to diminish our military so that our country can be easily taken over thru this merger or when that dreaded day comes that the American people stand up.

    Please forgive me if that sounds so harsh, but what a coincidence that the war occurs when all this crap is going around us, like they are trying to distract us meanwhile our men are getting killed in turn reducing the number of people in the military. No doubt, the government knew that sleeping cells are in our country, even now. Why don't they round them up? what are they waiting for?

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    I appreciate the thought but I don't see any sort of collusion in the Iraq Invasion and other events that are challenging the US.

    There are a lot of flawed assumptions that I think pushed the Bush Administration and the American people, into supporting that decision.
    1. Any other country is going to be an easy pushover
    2. The UN mission, of weapons searches, was totally worthless and needed to be abandoned
    2. It is the right hour to bring democracy to the Middle East.

    I do agree that Western civilization is unfairly beset with many avaricious and hostile groups. But overextending into Iraq probably is not the way to rectify that.
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    What I am seeing is like a repeat of Vietnam. Ok soldiers lock and load but don’t fire on a Mosque full of terrorists because it might provoke. Politically correct politicians should not be tactically circumventing our military professionals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by htxpert
    What I am seeing is like a repeat of Vietnam. Ok soldiers lock and load but don’t fire on a Mosque full of terrorists because it might provoke. Politically correct politicians should not be tactically circumventing our military professionals.
    Well I don't think it's quite like Nam "yet" but getting there.
    But your right about the mosques though, don't shoot in there even though it's full of bad guys shooting at you. In Nam there were places were we had to unload our rifles so as not to appear hostile, a very nice PC move on some idiots part.
    But to answer berfies question, I don't believe our military was sent there for that reason.
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    Initially we were fighting a disorganized, under equipped, and poorly trained "regular" force that was Saddam's. This was a relative cakewalk because of the previously stated reasons and additionally because many of them probably had little idealistic reason to die for their "glorious" leader. Now, it's a completely different story and most of the fighters (now non government) want to die for their ideology, which is most likely tied to religion. They will fight with rusty nails if need be. I would say these are the most viable reasons for the difference.

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    Berfie, I wouldn't put anything past the current White House.
    There are a lot of people getting rich from this war. And rich is what seems to matter to this administration.

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    Billions and billions of dollars are unaccounted for in this war. If this doesn't raise a red flag I don't know what would.
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    I think the real worry is not how the Administration is deploying the U. S. military overseas (although that issue can and will be debated right up to November 200 -- but it's lack of attention to the U.S. Border Patrol and border defense.

    To me that is the scandal. That is what keeps me up nights.

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    Well, after we withdraw from Iraq, there won't be any reason for the world to listen to America any longer. We haven't got the nerve, and that means all bets are off in a variety of arenas. "Best fighting force in the world" doesn't mean a thing if you aren't prepared to use it. That goes for both Muslim terrorists and Mexican nationals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CitizenBob
    I think the real worry is not how the Administration is deploying the U. S. military overseas (although that issue can and will be debated right up to November 200 -- but it's lack of attention to the U.S. Border Patrol and border defense.

    To me that is the scandal. That is what keeps me up nights.
    That gets to me too. How can Bush say we are fighting terroism and protecting Americans from terrorism by being in Iraq, and yet he refuses to secure the border when it is a known fact that OTMs are crossing the borders. It is a contradiction. That, among other things, is a big reason I lost faith in Bush long ago.
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