Thread: Bipartisan Bill to Protect DACA Recipients Introduced

In early February, they announced they were going to let it expire in June. If it expires, you don't have to send out 800,000 cancellation letters, wait for their replies under separate DHS laws and procedures, then reply to those, each and every one of them explaining why they've been canceled. If it expires, it's just over. No correspondence, no whines, no replies, no lawyers, no refunds, nada. It's just ... over.

Originally Posted by Judy

In early February, they announced they were going to let it expire in June. If it expires, you don't have to send out 800,000 cancellation letters, wait for their replies under separate DHS laws and procedures, then reply to those, each and every one of them explaining why they've been canceled. If it expires, it's just over. No correspondence, no whines, no replies, no lawyers, no refunds, nada. It's just ... over.

If the rumors are true, the program is not going to be "just over". Furthermore, the program does not expire. There is no official 'sunset' date for DACA and never has been.

Who is this "they" you're referring to? The only one that ever mentioned an expiration date was Sean Spicer. He briefly mentioned something about it to White House reporters (I watched the brief). However, no expiration date has ever been mentioned anywhere else to my knowledge. Mr. Spicer probably just mispoke or was misinformed. You sure are placing a lot of your argument on a one sentence 'blurb' from Spicer. If you have an official document that shows an official sunset date on DACA, I'd be interested in seeing it.

If the rumors ending up being true and Trump does continue the program another six months to give the U.S. Congress enough time to pass a legislative fix for DACA members and those eligible for DACA, then we'll pretty much know his intent has always been to keep the program alive until the the congress can provide an amnesty fix. Furthermore, that could actually mean he decieved us prior to being elected and never intended on ending DACA "immediately" as promised.

We all know Trump does support amnesty because he has actually said as much! His claiming not to support an amnesty was obviously another lie he told us during his campaign.

Oh for god's sake, it was a 2 year program, subject to renewal, no sunset provision applied. It began as a 2 year program on June 15, 2012. It was RENEWED for another 2 years on June 5, 2014, by the Director of USCIS. The renewal was extended to 3 years in November of 2014 by Jeh Johnson, Secretary of Homeland Security and in that same MEMO, Johnson provided for the DACA Expansion and DAPA. That's why the program expired on June 15, 2017 but for the extensions related to the extensions of the Texas lawsuit whose ruling required that DACA 2012 continue in effect during the course of the lawsuit.

Originally Posted by Judy

Oh for god's sake, it was a 2 year program, subject to renewal, no sunset provision applied. It began as a 2 year program on June 15, 2012. It was RENEWED for another 2 years on June 5, 2014, by the Director of USCIS. The renewal was extended to 3 years in November of 2014 by Jeh Johnson, Secretary of Homeland Security and in that same MEMO, Johnson provided for the DACA Expansion and DAPA. That's why the program expired on June 15, 2017 but for the extensions related to the extensions of the Texas lawsuit whose ruling required that DACA 2012 continue in effect during the course of the lawsuit.

No, the Texas lawsuit had nothing to do with DACA. The lawsuit was concerning DAPA and the DACA extension (2 to 3 year EADs). Of course the EADs are the work authorizations. The judge did not rule on DACA because it was not part of the actual lawsuit, however, he did say DACA was "most likely" unconstitutional.

The actual DACA program does not have an expiration date per se, but the EADs and I-797 Notice of Action forms do. Both of those forms expire 24 months after issuance but are currently renewable. So no, there is no set date for the DACA program to expire in its entirety for everyone simultaneously. Furthermore, nothing expires if it is continued. So, generally speaking the program has never expired and it was never intended to unless the Secretary of DHS or the President of the United States ended it.

Honestly, I don't even know why we're having this discussion because it's here nor there. Truth being, there has never been any question in anyones mind that President Trump or the Secretary of DHS has complete authority to end DACA at anytime and on a moments notice. You're the only person I've heard question the Trump administrations authority to end the program. The leaders of FAIR, NumbersUSA, ALIPAC and CIS have not questioned it. Of course I understand your motive is to protect Trump by providing him cover, but attempting to give the impression he can't do something that is within his power to do is not honest.

Yeah, they've all proven themselves to be extremely fact-sloppy. I bet like you, they didn't even know that DACA 2012 was renewed in 2014 for 2 more years or that the 2 year renewal of the program was increased to a 3 year program that expired June 15, 2017. Trump knew. I knew. Sean Spicer knew. The whole White House knew. Why didn't these organizations know? Why didn't you know? You pretend not to know even after I told you!

SAD!!

Originally Posted by MW

If the rumors are true, the program is not going to be "just over". Furthermore, the program does not expire. There is no official 'sunset' date for DACA and never has been.

Who is this "they" you're referring to? The only one that ever mentioned an expiration date was Sean Spicer. He briefly mentioned something about it to White House reporters (I watched the brief). However, no expiration date has ever been mentioned anywhere else to my knowledge. Mr. Spicer probably just mispoke or was misinformed. You sure are placing a lot of your argument on a one sentence 'blurb' from Spicer. If you have an official document that shows an official sunset date on DACA, I'd be interested in seeing it.

If the rumors ending up being true and Trump does continue the program another six months to give the U.S. Congress enough time to pass a legislative fix for DACA members and those eligible for DACA, then we'll pretty much know his intent has always been to keep the program alive until the the congress can provide an amnesty fix. Furthermore, that could actually mean he decieved us prior to being elected and never intended on ending DACA "immediately" as promised.

We all know Trump does support amnesty because he has actually said as much! His claiming not to support an amnesty was obviously another lie he told us during his campaign.

Trump doesn't support amnesty no matter how many times you lie about it on this forum. You've been reading too many leftie conquer and divide fake news articles, MW.