Thread: Border Fence

Perhaps I'm a little pessimistic about the border fence and it's effectiveness.We see on the news every day film clips that show the illegals climbing over it or making a hole to go through, then going on their merry way. So if there was a fence along the entire border what would that accomplish? Slow them down for 5 minutes and we're going to spend billions of dollars building it? We have to stop the jobs and benifits they come for or they'll keep coming, fence or no fence. Use that money to hire more border guards and let them do what they were hired to do.

I believe a fence is useless unless it is re-enforced with military or agents. If the can dig a tunnel, climb a ladder and blast a hole in the fence it is useless. We need boots on the border ready for action. This is a fight for our freedom and our lives.

I thought it was supposed to have two barriers and the guard road in the middle to patrol it. Anyway, if our government is in charge - it would be a screw up anyway.

You're right Vic a fence only slows them down, also there are places where they need to leave holes in it so wildlife and seasonal streams can flow through. I've seen pic's of them cutting through the fence with a torch.
The fence does help but you still need feet on the ground.

dyehard39 wrote:

I believe a fence is useless unless it is re-enforced with military or agents. If the can dig a tunnel, climb a ladder and blast a hole in the fence it is useless. We need boots on the border ready for action. This is a fight for our freedom and our lives.

IMHO, a fence is not "useless," but necessary. Everyone knows a fence is not the cure all, however, a double fence with sensor monitors will go along way in helping to secure the border. Illegals cutting through or attempting to climb the first fence will give the border patrol time to react and respond to the intrusion before they manage to get through the second fence. It is a documented fact that the double fence in San Diego has cut smuggling, drug trafficing, and illegal immigration through that sector by 90%. The 800-mile fence that has been written into law is a double fence, just like the one in San Diego. From what I understand the fence will also have interlocking cameras. Personally it amazes me how some people can consider the fence a bad idea - of course everyone has the right to their own opinion. The 854-mile fence is the law and it needs built. Duncan Hunter has promised to build that fence within 6 months of taking office as President of the United States (I believe him). He got the fence built in San Diego and he'll get the 854-mile fence written into law built! One more point, how can the fence not be a good idea, especially when you consider that all the pro-illegal activists, Mexican government, Catholic Church, Sen. Kennedy, and Sen. McCain don't want it built. These folks obviously fear the fence, and for good reason, because it will work against their efforts to open the border. Even President Bush had to be pressured into signing the 854-mile fence into law. These folks don't want the fence built, and that alone is good reason to believe it will work.

"The fence in itself is a force multiplier," Kasper said. "It allows Border Patrol agents to refocus their attention to other areas because it won't require as many Border Patrol agents to monitor a location as it would without a fence."

Here's the fence we're talking about:

http://gingrey.house.gov/UploadedPhotos ... 893d58.jpg

Ask Isreal if their fence works.

I know, I'm with ya...all it is is a little obstacle course for them, then they make it and we do nothing about it once they are here, but hand them jobs, and pray to God that we don't give them amnesty on top of everything else!

I've given this Border Fence issue alot of thought, and I have shared my ideas with my Represenatives.
Here is MY IDEA:
A double fence similar to what the Minutemen are constructing,
Also along the two thousand plus mile border, Construct Windmills in small communities to generate power for the town, ranchers and ONE OF THE FENCES...
As long as we post it that the fence is Electrified, it should STOP them from climbing over.
The power generated by these Windmills would benefit these Ranchers & Towns alot. And for Border security, think of the MONEY it will save in the long run..Fewer Agents so we could put more attention on the Canadian Border. It is the Perfect solution.

They need to add a sticky trap under the fence, then we just pick them up, and toss them back over

The fence out here is a single wall metal fence made from old WWII landing mats and there's lots of places where they are unable to put it up and other places where it is easy to crawl under or dig under or simply put a ladder up, it does help but you still need feet on the ground out there.
You can go to the Campo minutemen website and see some pic's of it there.

Originally Posted by MW

dyehard39 wrote:

I believe a fence is useless unless it is re-enforced with military or agents. If the can dig a tunnel, climb a ladder and blast a hole in the fence it is useless. We need boots on the border ready for action. This is a fight for our freedom and our lives.

IMHO, a fence is not "useless," but necessary. Everyone knows a fence is not the cure all, however, a double fence with sensor monitors will go along way in helping to secure the border. Illegals cutting through or attempting to climb the first fence will give the border patrol time to react and respond to the intrusion before they manage to get through the second fence. It is a documented fact that the double fence in San Diego has cut smuggling, drug trafficing, and illegal immigration through that sector by 90%. The 800-mile fence that has been written into law is a double fence, just like the one in San Diego. From what I understand the fence will also have interlocking cameras. Personally it amazes me how some people can consider the fence a bad idea - of course everyone has the right to their own opinion. The 854-mile fence is the law and it needs built. Duncan Hunter has promised to build that fence within 6 months of taking office as President of the United States (I believe him). He got the fence built in San Diego and he'll get the 854-mile fence written into law built! One more point, how can the fence not be a good idea, especially when you consider that all the pro-illegal activists, Mexican government, Catholic Church, Sen. Kennedy, and Sen. McCain don't want it built. These folks obviously fear the fence, and for good reason, because it will work against their efforts to open the border. Even President Bush had to be pressured into signing the 854-mile fence into law. These folks don't want the fence built, and that alone is good reason to believe it will work.

"The fence in itself is a force multiplier," Kasper said. "It allows Border Patrol agents to refocus their attention to other areas because it won't require as many Border Patrol agents to monitor a location as it would without a fence."

Here's the fence we're talking about:

http://gingrey.house.gov/UploadedPhotos ... 893d58.jpg

Ask Israel if their fence works.

I agree with MW. How can you say a fence that has cut smuggling, drug trafficking, and illegal immigration through that sector by 90% irrelevant? This is not the fence CNN biasly likes to televise all day long. Plus if John McCain is so adamant to stand on stage and smirk that a law(building the fence) is not going to happen, we know it's a positively necessary for our Nation.