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    Caravan migrants turn up their noses at Mexico's generous benefit package

    Caravan migrants turn up their noses at Mexico's generous benefit package

    Hard to see how any of the caravan migrants' asylum claims could be accepted here now that the migrants are turning down Mexico's generously offered benefit package.


    January 20, 2019
    By Monica Showalter

    Caravan migrants aren't exactly living up to their early billing, supposedly this time coming to seek asylum in Mexico. Actually, they're coming here.
    And the flimsiness of their asylum claims lies not just in their statements of wanting 'a better life' in the U.S., but in their disdain for a generous benefit package that Mexico has ready to offer them. According to Agence France-Press:
    Mexican authorities are urging the migrants to cross the border legally and offering expedited "visitor cards" that let them work and access basic health care in Mexico.
    So far, 969 migrants from Honduras, El Salvador, Guatemala and Nicaragua have been registered under the program and given bracelets that they can exchange for visitor cards in five days.
    But hundreds more migrants ignored the offer and crossed illegally, not content to wait in the park where the caravan has camped out in the border city of Tecun Uman, Guatemala.
    "A lot of us aren't interested in waiting five days. Our goal is to reach the United States," said Alma Mendoza, a nurse and single mother making the trip with her three children.
    "We don't have food, much less money. We want to reach our destination," she told AFP.
    Want it, want it now. With few marketable skills, little education, no English language, and no cultural values compatible with wealth creation - such as getting married before having the baby - it seems that what these people want is someone with a big wallet to take care of them, and the U.S. fills the bill nicely.
    Which doesn't exactly support any claim to asylum.
    The fact that few were deported on the last caravan also made these migrants less likely to accept the Mexican offer and try their luck in Mexico. According to the Washington Post:
    “The majority of those who went with the October caravan were not deported,” [a Honduran NGO worker] said. “So that sends the message back to the countries of origin, and people say, ‘Let’s go too because they won’t deport us.’ ”
    Yet the Mexicans told many in the U.S. press that entry for the new caravan (unlike the last one) would be orderly, legal (with migrants presenting papers or getting turned back), visa-oriented, and carry a big prooffered packages of benefits - from jobs, to free medical care, to freedom from worry about being repatriated - and all they had to do was sign up, take a bracelet, and wait for a mere five days.
    And that just wasn't good enough for a lot of them.
    Which raises questions about 'first country of refuge' and 'safe country of refuge' in international law, which calls on refugees to accept the first country of refuge. The generous offer from Mexico suggests that Mexico is trying to be a first country of refuge and offer the migrants a safe space. Yet if these migrants don't want that, why should any of their asylum requests be honored here? Mexico offered refuge to every one of the migrants, and at least some are turning up their noses at it.
    That would make this caravan more of a country-shopping expedition, a hunt for the best bargain, than a true effort to claim asylum. How any judge in the U.S. could accept such people, as apparently some are doing, suggests a failure to recognize international law. One hopes that this time it will be obvious enough that the situation is now different.

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    These people all work for the cartels. Their destination isn't Mexico, because their job isn't in Mexico, their job is to run drugs and other cartel operations in the United States.

    Please wake up, people.
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    Border Patrol needs the authority to automatically reject their claims and send them home!

    They were offered asylum and jobs in Mexico. They are safe there, they cannot pick and choose where they DEMAND they want to go!

    KEEP THEM ALL OUT AND STOP THEM AT OUR BORDER NOW.
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    DO NOT REWARD THEM - DEPORT THEM ALL

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    “The majority of those who went with the October caravan were not deported,” [a Honduran NGO worker] said. “So that sends the message back to the countries of origin, and people say, ‘Let’s go too because they won’t deport us.’ ”
    That's what the Trump administrations catch & release program is doing for us!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy View Post
    These people all work for the cartels. Their destination isn't Mexico, because their job isn't in Mexico, their job is to run drugs and other cartel operations in the United States.

    Please wake up, people.
    What a silly comment to make. No, these illegals are not all members of a drug cartel. I won't deny that a few drug cartels members may purposely be intermingling with the caravan, but there is absolutely nobody nowhere (other than you) that has suggested these caravan movements have anything to do with the cartels. Actually, these caravans are cutting into the cartels human smuggling operations and I'm sure they aren't happy about that.

    The cartels don't need caravans to get their people back and forth across the border. They seem to come and go at will.

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    The cartels found a way to get their people in legally through the caravans and asylum claim requests. That guarantees work permits and an 8 to 9 year free pass, legally, add the families and UACs, and for all practical purposes, it becomes forever under US law. You, and people who think like you do have all been punked by the cartels. The Central American cartels used to feud with the Mexican cartels, but about a year ago they decided to cooperate with each other, but the Central Americans have to get their people in through Mexico which is controlled by the Mexican cartels. They made a deal, you get them into Mexico, we'll guarantee they get to the states through the asylum process. Sarah Carter interviewed one of the young Hondurans and he owes the smugglers, which means he owes the cartels, $15,000 just for himself. Anyone who doesn't see this for what it is, hasn't been paying attention, is really dense, or for some reason doesn't want to hold the people actually responsible for illegal immigration into the United States, accountable for this scourge on our country and citizens.

    Or so it seems to me.
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    That can't be because Judy insist all the caravan folks are in the drug cartels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy View Post
    The cartels found a way to get their people in legally through the caravans and asylum claim requests. That guarantees work permits and an 8 to 9 year free pass, legally, add the families and UACs, and for all practical purposes, it becomes forever under US law. You, and people who think like you do have all been punked by the cartels. The Central American cartels used to feud with the Mexican cartels, but about a year ago they decided to cooperate with each other, but the Central Americans have to get their people in through Mexico which is controlled by the Mexican cartels. They made a deal, you get them into Mexico, we'll guarantee they get to the states through the asylum process. Sarah Carter interviewed one of the young Hondurans and he owes the smugglers, which means he owes the cartels, $15,000 just for himself. Anyone who doesn't see this for what it is, hasn't been paying attention, is really dense, or for some reason doesn't want to hold the people actually responsible for illegal immigration into the United States, accountable for this scourge on our country and citizens.

    Or so it seems to me.
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