Quote Originally Posted by Judy View Post
What are you saying? I didn't paint anyone as an "anti-big government hero". Republicans have always opposed the income tax, we've opposed it vehemently since it was instituted by Democrats in 1913. We spend more money funding the IRS to process paperwork and invade people's lives than we spend on EPA to clean up and protect our environment.

The annual budget for the IRS in 2016 will be $14 Billion.

The annual budget for the EPA in 2016 will be $8.5 Billion.

You're putting faith in a false government number that isn't accurate, it's manufactured. This is the same government that lies about trade and tells our citizens "free trade is good for America" when it's the complete opposite, that lies about immigration and tells our citizens "illegal aliens do the jobs Americans won't do" when Americans are being fired and replaced with illegal aliens, that lies about unemployment that tells our citizens our unemployment rate is only 5.1% when it's 3 times that number due to the number of people who after looking for work for so long finally gave up doing so.

My point was you're hanging your hat on a false number that isn't true. I gave you the link to show you why it is patently false, a number that is higher during the recession years than their number for 2001, at the height of our economy and tax revenue based on income, which is a mathematical impossibility. Our economy collapsed and stayed that way for years, yet the IRS claims more tax was evaded which means more tax was owed but not paid during those years than in 2001.

You can't get blood from a turnip. When the incomes aren't there because the economy isn't producing the net income to generate the tax, then there is no evasion, it's just no income means no tax.
Judy, your answer is veering all over the place. I'm not going to argue this further past this point. We can talk about maybe finding a better tax policy, and I definitely think we could do much better--and in the process eliminate the self defeating bureaucracy that we have now for collecting taxes. Does this give a person the moral right to not pay because the system is bad? A person can always say that "the system is bad" and justify not paying then. But my statement addressed moral hypocrisy, also: i.e. Can we say "Disobeying tax laws is OK, but disobeying immigration law ( even though you may be impoverished or fearing for your family's lives) is bad?" That would really get conservatives called out as hypocrites, even though those doing the finger pointing are hypocritical as well. Now...I would like to see someone like Michele Bachman address this tax collection gap; it's her specialty. But she covertly sides with conservative tax resisters anyway...and further, smiles all the way to the bank. Do I have to point out some other reasons why conservatives lose elections, then?