Thread: D.H.S. Memorandum on Rescission Of DACA (Not EXPIRE)

LOL!! Whatever, MW. You and JD2, and of course the illegal aliens, are the only people in America who think a 2 year deal doesn't end in 2 years unless it's renewed.

Originally Posted by MontereySherry

If everyone got their DACA on the same date then you could have a end date. I know for a fact that they did not issue all 800,000 on the same day and are still accepting new applications that were in the mail no later then 9/5/17.
If they were to use 9/5/17 on all that are still in mail or being proccessed the earliest end to DACA would be 9/5/19.

The end date we're talking about is the program term for issuing new permits to new people and renewals, not the individual work permit expirations, two different things. You would always have the work permits expiring long after the program itself ends.

Originally Posted by Judy

LOL!! Whatever, MW. You and JD2, and of course the illegal aliens, are the only people in America who think a 2 year deal doesn't end in 2 years unless it's renewed.

DACA was never a two year deal. I'm sure there are alot of ALIPAC readers/members that know there was no actual expiration date (end date) to DACA. Unlike JD2 and I, those folks are smart enough to know that attempting a logical debate with you is an impossibility.

Judy, you had to have been under the age of 31 on 9/5/12. You had to have been in the country since 9/5/07. You could not apply for DACA until the age of 15. How could anyone figure an exact date for ending the program before 9/5/22-9/5/24?

If that's your interpretation, then we're in for a long string of lawsuits, because he's arbitrarily canceled an ongoing program that the beneficiaries should have been able to rely on in perpetuity. He's now tweeting saying how great they are and if Congress doesn't act on their behalf then he'll use his executive authority to intervene, which of course destroys Sessions argument that the program was unconstitutional.

Originally Posted by MontereySherry

Judy, you had to have been under the age of 31 on 9/5/12. You had to have been in the country since 9/5/07. You could not apply for DACA until the age of 15. How could anyone figure an exact date for ending the program before 9/5/22-9/5/24?

The program is the 2 year period during which DHS would take new applications. If it was not a 2 year program but a permanent program, then Trump has canceled a permanent program, that's very different than allowing a temporary short term program expire by its terms. Obama renewed the program in June of 2014 for another 2 years, and filed the renewal in the Federal Register. A few months later in November Obama changed the renewal term to 3 years and also expanded the program and added parents and some other people to it. They failed to file that one in the Federal Register which is why Texas and teh 26 states got an injunction, but the court, Judge Hanen ruled that DACA 2012 would continue in effect for the 3 year renewal of the program and until the lawsuit was dismissed, but the work permits would only be 2 years at a time. That means DACA 2012 expired June 15, 2017, which is when the Texas lawsuit was also supposed to be dismissed or resolved. But Hanen extended the lawsuit dismissal date, at which time Kelly extended DACA for an indeterminate period of time. I doubt he filed the extension in the Federal Register so the program expired June 15, 2017 but for the extension to comply with the lawsuit dismissal date per the court ruling.

Bottom-line is, if people believe there was no expiration date, then Trump has arbitrarily terminated a program that he is tweeting has merits and if Congress doesn't act, then he will revisit which means ... it's a mess now, lawsuits will be filed all over the damn place.

Sigh.

Originally Posted by Judy

If that's your interpretation, then we're in for a long string of lawsuits, because he's arbitrarily canceled an ongoing program that the beneficiaries should have been able to rely on in perpetuity. He's now tweeting saying how great they are and if Congress doesn't act on their behalf then he'll use his executive authority to intervene, which of course destroys Sessions argument that the program was unconstitutional.

Trump is destroying his own credibility without even realizing it!

Judy it says very clearly that it was temporary. What I am saying is I have never seen in writing an exact end date. It has been very vague and we all know when it comes to the government temporary usually means forever.

Originally Posted by MontereySherry

Judy it says very clearly that it was temporary. What I am saying is I have never seen in writing an exact end date. It has been very vague and we all know when it comes to the government temporary usually means forever.

The original end date is 2 years from the date it started. The 2 year renewal end date is 4 years from the date it started. The 3 year renewal end date is 5 years from the date it started.

They didn't put an end date in the original memo, it was 2 years from the date of the memo. You don't need a specific date if you have the start date and the term.

Anyway, it's all a big mess now. And things were going so well this morning ... or so it seemed.

Ugh.

Just saying, if there is any way our government can make a determination to keep it going, they will.