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    Super Moderator imblest's Avatar
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    In North Carolina, as in most states, the rules for registering to vote are pre-digital technology. And they rely almost entirely on citizens to keep registration current, such as notifying elections officials when they move.

    Only about 86 percent of eligible North Carolinians are registered; in Canada it’s 93 percent. The difference is Canada has universal registration, where the government automatically signs up citizens to vote.

    We already have the tools in place, through the state Department of Motor Vehicles, the Social Security Administration and even Selective Services. When young men turn 18, the government finds them and ensures they sign up for a draft that doesn’t exist. Why not register them to vote at the same time?

    If people give a darn about voting, they will keep their voter registration current. There's no reason to spend taxpayer dollars hunting them down to get them registered to vote or to change their registration!
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    They should be treated equally under the law which means that if they break it, they should face the penalty. All of the smarmy politicians claim that we are a "nation of laws".

    Time to enforce them. all 600 of the illegals that they caught in the act should have been deported. Stat.

    How Falsely Claiming to Be a U.S. Citizen Can Make You Deportable

    You can lose your green card by claiming to be a U.S. citizen before it's true.

    Many noncitizens do not realize the risks of pretending to be a U.S. citizen. Once someone falsely claims to be a U.S. citizen in order to obtain a benefit under federal or state law, he or she may be removable (deportable) from the United States. A person may be placed in removal proceedings even if the false claim was made unintentionally or to certain private parties administering a government benefit.

    It is very serious to be charged with making a false claim to citizenship because if a person is deported on this basis, he or she is permanently inadmissible and cannot return to the United States. Furthermore, there is no waiver available for false claims to citizenship and there is limited relief from removal available to noncitizens who lie to obtain government benefits. Keep reading for more information about how falsely claiming U.S. citizenship can get you into trouble with immigration authorities.
    (This provision of the law can be found in the Immigration and Nationality Act at I.N.A. §237(a)(3)(D).)

    Which False Claims to U.S. Citizenship Make You Deportable

    If you make a false claim to U.S. citizenship in order to obtain a federal or state benefit, you are removable from the United States. The most common false claims to U.S. citizenship occur under the following circumstances:

    • registering to vote in a local, state, or federal election when prohibited from doing so
    • checking “U.S. citizen” on an I-9 Employment Eligibility Verification form
    • claiming to be a U.S. citizen on a student loan application
    • attempting to obtain a U.S. passport, and
    • stating that you are U.S. citizen to obtain any other benefit for which U.S. citizenship is required.

    Do Not Falsely Claim U.S. Citizenship by Registering to Vote in an Election

    Noncitizens must be careful when applying for driver’s licenses or taking care of other matters at their local state government office. Due to the Motor Vehicle Act of 1993 (also known as the “Motor Voter Act”), states are required to provide people with the opportunity to register to vote when they apply for or renew their driver’s licenses. However, while a minority of states ask for proof of citizenship at the time of voter registration, employees in most states may not inquire about citizenship status before asking noncitizens if they desire to register to vote.

    In some jurisdictions, you certify U.S. citizenship simply by signing the voter application. The claim to U.S. citizenship is in the “fine print” of the form. In others, it is necessary to check a box to indicate U.S. citizenship, but a government official (or any other person you authorize to complete the form on your behalf) may check off the box for you. These situations have created problems for noncitizens who may not understand English well, do not pay attention to what they are signing, or trust others to complete forms on their behalf.

    Worse, some noncitizens are misinformed about their eligibility to vote. For example, a campaign worker may tell you that permanent residents (green card holders) may register to vote, even when they are not eligible, or a canvasser may knock on your door to ask you to register and give you incorrect information.

    If you are not sure whether you have registered to vote, you should check with the election board or office in your city or town. If your name is listed on the voter registration rolls where you are not authorized to vote, you must remove your name immediately and obtain proof that you have done this, such as a letter or receipt from the Town Clerk’s office. You should consult an immigration attorney to help you before you submit an application for a green card, naturalization, or any other immigration benefit because you may not be eligible if it is discovered you registered to vote when you were not authorized to do so.

    Do Not Check the Wrong Box on an I-9 Form

    A person can become deportable for making false claims to U.S. citizenship to employers. Any time a person is hired for employment within the U.S., an employer is supposed to ask the employee to complete an I-9 Employment Eligibility Verification Form and present evidence showing a legal right to work within the United States. The form contains boxes for the employee to check showing eligibility to work.

    A noncitizen should never check off the box “U.S. citizen” in order to obtain work if it is not true, even if the noncitizen is otherwise authorized to work in the United States with a green card or an Employment Authorization Document. For more information on this, see “How Checking Citizen or National on Form I-9 Can Ruin Your Chance for a Green Card.”

    Do Not Claim to Be a U.S. Citizen on a Student Loan Application

    Federal loans, as well as some state and private loans, require U.S. citizenship as a condition of eligibility. It is important to check for this requirement before you file any type of financial aid application. One court decision concerning a false claim to U.S. citizenship made on student loan applications also accused the immigrant of fraud, since he had used a false name, date of birth, and Social Security number.

    Noncitizens should be aware that applying for student loans may not only lead to a removal hearing, but can also trigger criminal charges for theft, fraud, and other crimes that have immigration consequences.

    Do Not Claim to Be a U.S. Citizen on a Passport Application or Other Government Forms

    In order to get a U.S. passport, applicants must present evidence of U.S. citizenship. By lying on this application and presenting a false birth certificate or other evidence, a noncitizen risks not only being accused of making a false claim to U.S. citizenship, but also criminal charges. Similarly, you can be placed in removal proceedings for filing an application for a certificate of U.S. citizenship if not entitled to one.

    Remember that immigration applicants are also “government forms.” For example, if you file an application to adjust status to permanent resident, at your interview the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) officer may ask whether you have ever made a false claim to citizenship. (This occurs even though the paper application, Form I-485, does not ask this question.) If you will not be able to honestly say that you have never made such a false claim, consult an immigration attorney.

    A question about past false claims to citizenship DOES appear on the application for naturalization (Form N-400). Even if you pretend to have never made a false citizenship claim and are granted U.S. citizenship, your status may later be revoked if it is discovered that you answered this -- or, for that matter, any other question -- untruthfully.

    (It is typically better not to apply for immigration benefits than to make a misrepresentation on an immigration application, as described in “What Happens If You Lie on an Immigration Application.”)

    You Can Be Deportable for Lying About U.S. Citizenship in Other Circumstances

    In addition to the situations listed above, USCIS officers have uncovered false claims to citizenship in other circumstances, such as people stating that they were U.S. citizens on federally backed mortgage applications for the purpose of buying a home.

    The bottom line is that even if you apply for a nongovernment benefit, if it requires U.S. citizenship as a condition of eligibility, you may be making a false claim for the purposes of U.S. immigration law – or at the very least, raise enough questions in the minds of U.S. immigration authorities that they place you into removal proceedings.

    For this reason a noncitizen must be very careful when applying for any type of application that inquires about citizenship status, especially loans that involve federal funds, such as FHA loans.

    Exceptions to a Finding of False Claims to U.S. Citizenship

    The Child Citizenship Act of 2000 changed the rules on who may acquire or derive U.S. citizenship from their parents. While many people benefited from this legislation, some mistakenly assumed that they are U.S. citizens. To deal with this problem, Congress included an exception in the Act preventing deportation of children who make false claims to citizenship under the following circumstances:

    1) the child’s parents were U.S. citizens by birth or naturalization
    2) the child made the false claim when he or she was under age 18
    3) the child was a U.S. permanent resident prior to age 16, and
    4) the child reasonably believed, when making the false claim to citizenship, that he or she actually was a U.S. citizen.

    The laws regarding who may become U.S. citizens through their parents have changed frequently throughout the years. If you are confused about whether you acquired or derived U.S. citizenship from your parents, you might want to visit Nolo’s section,
    Acquiring or Deriving U.S. Citizenship Through Parents.”

    Another exception to deportation for false claims exists if the claim was made before September 30, 1996, which is the effective date of the false claims ground of inadmissibility.

    Finally, some people who overstayed their visa or never had any legal status in the U.S. have made false statements at border crossings or in interviews with immigration authorities about their citizenship status in order to stay in the United States. In this case, if the noncitizen immediately and voluntarily retracts the false claim before the lie is exposed or is about to be exposed (also known as “timely retraction,”), the person may be spared from removal proceedings based on the false claim to U.S. citizenship. They may however be deported (or inadmissible) for other reasons – such as unlawful presence in the United States.

    Defending Yourself Against Removal Due to a False Claim of Citizenship

    Other than claiming that an exception applies, the only recourse available to a person who has made a false claim to U.S. citizenship is to seek cancellation of removal in Immigration Court.

    In order to qualify for this type of relief, however, a showing of good moral character is required for non-permanent residents (non-LPRs). The trouble is, a judge may find that a non-LPR who made an intentional false claim to citizenship lacks good moral character. If the false claim was unintentional, and all other requirements are met, cancellation of removal may be a good option.
    To learn whether you are eligible for cancellation of removal, please see Nolo’s section “Immigration Court Defenses: Avoid Deportation.”

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    It's disgusting. Corrupt people, corrupt government, corrupt elections.

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