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08-06-2016, 12:43 AM #1
Yep, maybe Trump's not his own man after all. He seems to be falling in with the corrupt Washington crowd because someone has probably convinced him that it's the only way he can win. IMO, bowing to the party elites is going to turn some of the base off. I think he won a lot of his support because folks thought he wouldn't cow down to the established party elites. I just hope these endorsements don't give some of his supporters pause. This is the time to solidify support, not weaken it.
What's going on this week just sickens me to the core because for the first time I'm afraid we could lose this election. I'm not much of a drinker, but right now I sort of want to lose myself in a bottle of Jim Beam. Hopefully things will improve over the next few weeks.
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08-06-2016, 01:26 AM #2
If this is true that he got TPP off the table in return for lukewarm at best endorsements for these RINOs that were read, we got something huge. Maybe TPP was already off the table for the year and it was something else good for America. I am going to believe that. I don't think Trump makes one sided deals.
It is Friday night when he announces this and voting for Nehlan is on Tuesday. People who want Ryan out will go vote him out. Same for McCain.
If the "Art of the Deal" was played to get TPP out of the way for now, we'll let us think about that and I personally will celebrate that. Who knows, maybe some more deal making was made on our behalf.
This has been a stomach churning week, but no need to drink, MW. You can rest well. I don't think Trump did this without a big something in return for America.
Trump is trying to navigate in a swamp.Last edited by GeorgiaPeach; 08-06-2016 at 01:38 AM.
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08-06-2016, 01:47 AM #3
The Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) would never be an issue if Trump is true to his word. There is not nearly enough support for it in the Congress to send the next President a veto proof piece of legislation. No, I don't think the TPP had anything to do with this (my opinion). Where did you hear this from?
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08-06-2016, 06:11 AM #4
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He sure is and one filled with alligators. I'm still really disappointed. I guess I knew it was coming, but I wish he'd just gone to Green Bay given his speech and left Wisconsin without reading the "endorsement." We'll see what benefit if any comes from it. I could understand the Rubio endorsement in Florida, but didn't really think the Ryan and McCain endorsements were necessary for Wisconsin and Arizona. Maybe I was wrong, we'll see. I still hope Nehlen and Ward win their primary races.Trump is trying to navigate in a swamp.
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08-06-2016, 12:25 PM #5
I used the word "if" in regards to TPP. I read it from others just like us trying to figure it or thinking they knew why the endorsements occurred.
Obama wants it to pass before he leaves but you are correct MW that he lacks the necessary support at this time.
Mr. Trump read the endorsements very matter of fact and it lacked his usual enthusiasm. There must be a strategy and we may or may not find a reason or reasons. He is hopefully chipping away at the edges of the disastrous GOP as he navigates toward the Office of President.
Paul Nehlan's statement was most gracious. I hope he wins.
As I said it is a swamp.Last edited by GeorgiaPeach; 08-06-2016 at 12:38 PM.
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08-06-2016, 12:42 PM #6Oh wow, they sure were! I just saw Paul Nehlen interviewed on CNN and although the host is clearly a Hillary Flake and tried to counter him, very inappropriately and inaccurately, Paul charged on saying he fully understood that Trump was seeking "unity" and for Trump is the right thing to do. Nehlen hit Ryan hard at the same time and said that Trump was not supporting Ryan's policies, he was not supporting Ryan's TPP or Open Border Agenda, Trump was seeking party "unity" that he knows he needs to win.Paul Nehlan's statement was most gracious. I hope he wins.
OH I HOPE PAUL NEHLEN WINS!! He would be a wonderful Congressman for Wisconsin's First District and for all of America.
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08-06-2016, 02:58 PM #7
Will Trump endorsement hurt Ryan in Tuesday's primary against outsider?
Published August 06, 2016 FoxNews.com
House Speaker Paul Ryan appears likely to win a 10th term ahead of his primary challenge Tuesday, but an endorsement earlier this week from GOP presidential nominee Donald Trump is causing its share of political headwinds for the Wisconsin congressman and other Republicans seeking reelection.
Trump on Friday night endorsed the House leader, along with incumbent GOP Sens. Kelly Ayotte, New Hampshire, and John McCain, Arizona, in an apparent effort to create party unity with the general election less than 100 days away.
However, the endorsement is not without some peril for Ryan, despite leading primary rival and conservative businessman Paul Nehlen by as much as 66 percent points, according to poll released this week by the Remington Research Group.
The Wisconsin GOP primary is Tuesday.
Trump is not particularly popular among Wisconsin voters, considering they decisively backed Texas Sen. Ted Cruz in the state’s early-April primary, arguably Trump’s biggest loss of the season.
And weeks earlier, Trump bashed popular Wisconsin GOP Gov. Scott Walker, a Cruz supporter, arguing Walker’s record on jobs and the economy was overrated.
Nehlen, in a narrowly crafted announcement Friday, praised Trump for endorsing Ryan, saying the decision was “appropriate” and a sign of “true leadership.”
However, he also argued Trump’s delay in endorsing Ryan, like Ryan did earlier with Trump, “is a clear signal to Wisconsin voters that Ryan is not his preferred candidate in this race.”
Still, most political observers think Ryan will retain his seat.
“I don’t think it will be a problem for Ryan,” Republican strategist Rob Carter said Saturday. “People in his district know him and see him as a straight shooter.”
However, he argued the bigger issue is Trump’s decision to withhold the endorsement.
“The real story is the divisiveness of the Trump campaign and the selfishness of the candidate himself,” Carter said.
The Nehlen campaign -- which is hitting Ryan on his qualified support of the Obama administration’s international trade deal known as the Trans-Pacific Partnership -- thinks its candidate can still pull off an upset.
Campaign official Noel Fritsch on Saturday called the Remington poll a “farce” and argued that 83 percent of the GOP electorate voted for so-called “outsider” candidates in the 2016 party primaries.
“It’s quite obvious that establishment Republicans are in trouble,” said Fritsch, who argues that campaign contributions are coming in from across the country. “This just steels folks’ resolve to get out and vote.”
To be sure, several Republican senators in tough reelection bid, particularly in Democrat-leaning states, have struggled with the Trump endorsement.
Ayotte has said she will vote for Trump but has yet to officially endorse him. And Pennsylvania Sen. Pat Toomey says he’s backing Trump, despite some political differences and Trump being neither his first nor second choice as the party’s presidential nominee.
Despite endorsing Ryan, Trump on Monday used his Twitter feed to acknowledge support from Nehlen, who is driving around Wisconsin in a yellow dump truck with a sign that reads “Dump Paul Ryan.”
The Ryan campaign did not immediately return a request Saturday for comment.
Those who foresee a potential upset point to Tea Party-backed, first-time candidate Dave Brat’s 2004 primary upset of House Majority Leader Rep. Eric Cantor, who lost in large part because voters thought he was more focused on national politics than district concerns.
“This is not and should not be considered the 'Eric Cantor' seat of 2016. Above all else, Speaker Ryan has been a consistent and effective advocate for his constituents for years. And I am sure he will continue to do so well into the future," Republican strategist Rob Burgess said Saturday.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016...-outsider.html
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