Thread: Donald Trump Will Allow Illegal Aliens To Stay In U.S.

I'll still throw my hat in for Trump and I don't see his words to mean exactly what the Media is trying to spin. To me he's trying to not cause such a fight on the issue.

1. He says he wants to build a huge wall along the border and essentially stop ALL future illegal immigration.
2. He wants to end any trade agreements where Mexico gets a better shake then the US (same for China). This includes him favoring things like tariffs on imports from those countries.
3. He wants to remove all benefits from illegal aliens so they can't abuse our system beyond jobs *if* they would qualify for whatever down the road.
4. He wants to remove any illegal alien with a criminal history, no exceptions (yet we don't know if he counts things like DUI, or driving without a license conviction as criminal history).
5. I believe I recall him saying he wanted to correct the 14th Amendment abuse so 1 parent must be a US Citizen or permanent resident to get citizenship for their children.
6. He wants to end illegals being able to get away with protesting and lobbying our politicians.

Now AFTER all that he is saying he *may* consider a pathway to legal status for work purposes. This may sound bad on its front but how many illegal aliens do people think will be left after all the benefits are gone, all the criminals are gone, no more automatic citizenship. All that is left is legal work for those who are law abiding beyond their initial illegal entry and no new illegals coming in.

So how many illegals do we think would be left? I would be thinking the vast majority would either be deported or pack up and leave. Some are willing to work but families won't be staying together if no automatic citizenship, no welfare, those with criminal convictions in the family being deported, and even possibly no free education for their children until legal status is made. I would think 5% maybe left after a year or two.

Thing is while I can say myself I love the idea of a strict deportation policy for every single illegal alien, military on the border locked and loaded, along with an end to any potential benefit to illegal aliens. That spoken stance politically won't work. The same objectives could be handled with a *friendlier* sounding approach that sounds *humane*. Remember a lot of moderate dems and independents are buying into that some of these illegal aliens are fleeing violence and persecution back home and are good people. So with that need a stance that doesn't demonize those *good* people with speaking about getting rid of the *bad* people. Those with their warm and cuddly heart feelings can feel good supporting him while in truth when the fixes start getting put in place its seen that very very few are those *good* people.

We can't win the Presidential election with speaking from a very harsh tone no matter our intentions. We won't win without winning over especially the Independents and while speaking harsh can win the Rep nomination what matters is the Independents as Dems will vote for the Dem and Reps will vote for the Rep. Its the independents who hold the real power. Trump is no fool.

Trump tells TMZ that he’ll create a “system of merit” meaning that people here illegally should have “a road to legal status” if they work hard and make a contribution to the country. The presidential candidate explains that it’s unknown how many people live in he U.S. illegally, but he goes by different figures that predict there are somewhere between 11 and 30 million.

The seemingly hard-nosed businessman says it’s “unrealistic and inhumane to attempt to deport all of them,” TMZ reports.

Originally Posted by JohnDoe2

Trump tells TMZ that he’ll create a “system of merit” meaning that people here illegally should have “a road to legal status” if they work hard and make a contribution to the country. The presidential candidate explains that it’s unknown how many people live in he U.S. illegally, but he goes by different figures that predict there are somewhere between 11 and 30 million.

The seemingly hard-nosed businessman says it’s “unrealistic and inhumane to attempt to deport all of them,” TMZ reports.

I wish he hadn't used the word "inhumane". Our laws require deportation and there is absolutely nothing inhumane about our laws concerning the deportation of any illegal alien, I don't care what their situation is back home. We have citizens in our country living with everything these illegal aliens are whining about and no one in our government gives a hoot about them. So they all need to be moved on out, families intact.

As to unrealistic, it is under the present system, but that would be solved with Trey Gowdy's bill that authorizes states and local law enforcement to enforce US immigration law. We need that bill passed and we need it passed now.

Maybe Trump will see this and decide they all should go.

http://www.globalpost.com/article/65...o-donald-trump

Mexico to Donald Trump: You are one ‘ignorant,' 'prejudiced' hombre


Tycoon Donald Trump announced his campaign for 2016 Republican presidential nomination on Wednesday at Trump Tower in New York.

Brendan McDermidReuters

MEXICO CITY — While billionaire Donald Trump is an expert in the world of business, it looks like he has a steep learning curve when it comes to diplomacy.

By just declaring his intention to run for president on June 16, he managed to start a minor spat with Mexico.
To rocking guitar music, the white-haired, red-faced tycoon slammed migrants and promised to build a wall — and have Mexico pay for it.

“They are not our friend, believe me … When Mexico sends its people, it is not sending its best,” Trump said.

“They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists.”

To politicians south of the Rio Grande, it was a red rag to a bull.

Mexican Foreign Secretary Jose Antonio Meade called Trump ignorant and prejudiced.

Trump has “a profound ignorance of the reality in Mexico and the migrant contribution to [US] society,” Meade said. Trump's comments “reflect prejudices … a politician that does not know reality does not have good prospects.”

Mexico’s undersecretary for North America, Sergio Alcocer, also chipped in, saying that Trump was deluding himself.

“The worst scenario for a politician is to fool themselves about reality, and the reality is that Mexicans contribute significantly to the society and economy of the United States,” Alcocer said.

More than 11 million Mexican citizens live in the US, along with millions more Americans with Mexican roots.
Mexico is also the US's second top trading partner after Canada. In 2014, the US exported $240 billion worth of goods to Mexico and imported $294 billion from it, according to government data.

It’s not the first time Trump has bashed Mexico. Back in February, he was angry that Mexican director Alejandro Gonzalez Iñarritu won best picture for “Birdman.”

“It was a great night for Mexico. This guy kept getting up and up and up. What’s he doing? He’s walking away with all the gold? Was it that good? I don’t hear that,” Trump said on "Fox and Friends." (He didn’t say if he had actually watched the film).

But Trump’s latest comments have also caused some chuckles south of the border. The website El Deforma, the Mexican answer to The Onion, greeted them with this cartoon, titled “Jurassic Trump,” showing the billionaire with a whale’s body, trying to eat a little Mexican fish.

ReformUSA2012 wrote:

I'll still throw my hat in for Trump and I don't see his words to mean exactly what the Media is trying to spin. To me he's trying to not cause such a fight on the issue.

There is no spin to it, his words were actually quoted from an interview.

Originally Posted by ReformUSA2012

I'll still throw my hat in for Trump and I don't see his words to mean exactly what the Media is trying to spin. To me he's trying to not cause such a fight on the issue.

1. He says he wants to build a huge wall along the border and essentially stop ALL future illegal immigration.
2. He wants to end any trade agreements where Mexico gets a better shake then the US (same for China). This includes him favoring things like tariffs on imports from those countries.
3. He wants to remove all benefits from illegal aliens so they can't abuse our system beyond jobs *if* they would qualify for whatever down the road.
4. He wants to remove any illegal alien with a criminal history, no exceptions (yet we don't know if he counts things like DUI, or driving without a license conviction as criminal history).
5. I believe I recall him saying he wanted to correct the 14th Amendment abuse so 1 parent must be a US Citizen or permanent resident to get citizenship for their children.
6. He wants to end illegals being able to get away with protesting and lobbying our politicians.

Now AFTER all that he is saying he *may* consider a pathway to legal status for work purposes. This may sound bad on its front but how many illegal aliens do people think will be left after all the benefits are gone, all the criminals are gone, no more automatic citizenship. All that is left is legal work for those who are law abiding beyond their initial illegal entry and no new illegals coming in.

So how many illegals do we think would be left? I would be thinking the vast majority would either be deported or pack up and leave. Some are willing to work but families won't be staying together if no automatic citizenship, no welfare, those with criminal convictions in the family being deported, and even possibly no free education for their children until legal status is made. I would think 5% maybe left after a year or two.

Thing is while I can say myself I love the idea of a strict deportation policy for every single illegal alien, military on the border locked and loaded, along with an end to any potential benefit to illegal aliens. That spoken stance politically won't work. The same objectives could be handled with a *friendlier* sounding approach that sounds *humane*. Remember a lot of moderate dems and independents are buying into that some of these illegal aliens are fleeing violence and persecution back home and are good people. So with that need a stance that doesn't demonize those *good* people with speaking about getting rid of the *bad* people. Those with their warm and cuddly heart feelings can feel good supporting him while in truth when the fixes start getting put in place its seen that very very few are those *good* people.

We can't win the Presidential election with speaking from a very harsh tone no matter our intentions. We won't win without winning over especially the Independents and while speaking harsh can win the Rep nomination what matters is the Independents as Dems will vote for the Dem and Reps will vote for the Rep. Its the independents who hold the real power. Trump is no fool.

I think your thoughts on this are good. But I don't think we should let Trump get by with it. The legal position for him is what the law says which is deport. All benefits should be cut, but that requires changes to the law to strip them of benefits they're entitled to through the anchor babies, which requires Congress to act.

I think we can still keep him in mind because I love him on trade and I was really excited about a campaign with him in it, he's a firestorm, but this stance of letting them stay if they do something, doesn't solve the problem which is they're taking jobs away from Americans and deflating our workers wages and benefits. That is unacceptable and for that reason alone they all have to go, even the "good" people and those who "work hard". They work no harder than Americans, so there's no reason for them to be here working instead of filling all those jobs with Americans. Sure, Americans may want better wages and working conditions, that's why we once had the highest standard of living in the world. When that is undercut by illegal aliens and excess immigrants, then our country sinks because our citizens can't sustain themselves.

Someone has told Trump to say these things, because it is completely different than what he's said for 30 years. So it must be that new guy he hired. Now, Trump may also know that any system to stay would have to pass Congress and perhaps he's betting that won't happen. If that's a possibility, then I'm back following his wagon, not on it, but close behind following and watching ready to jump on when some of these statements are clarified during the campaign which i expect they will be, assuming they're clarified in a manner than I could accept. Like JohnDoe2 said, we don't have to decide until we're ready to cast a vote in the primary. I really hope he makes the top 10 and is in the debates.

Originally Posted by Judy

I think your thoughts on this are good. But I don't think we should let Trump get by with it. The legal position for him is what the law says which is deport. All benefits should be cut, but that requires changes to the law to strip them of benefits they're entitled to through the anchor babies, which requires Congress to act.

I think we can still keep him in mind because I love him on trade and I was really excited about a campaign with him in it, he's a firestorm, but this stance of letting them stay if they do something, doesn't solve the problem which is they're taking jobs away from Americans and deflating our workers wages and benefits. That is unacceptable and for that reason alone they all have to go, even the "good" people and those who "work hard". They work no harder than Americans, so there's no reason for them to be here working instead of filling all those jobs with Americans. Sure, Americans may want better wages and working conditions, that's why we once had the highest standard of living in the world. When that is undercut by illegal aliens and excess immigrants, then our country sinks because our citizens can't sustain themselves.

Someone has told Trump to say these things, because it is completely different than what he's said for 30 years. So it must be that new guy he hired. Now, Trump may also know that any system to stay would have to pass Congress and perhaps he's betting that won't happen. If that's a possibility, then I'm back following his wagon, not on it, but close behind following and watching ready to jump on when some of these statements are clarified during the campaign which i expect they will be, assuming they're clarified in a manner than I could accept. Like JohnDoe2 said, we don't have to decide until we're ready to cast a vote in the primary. I really hope he makes the top 10 and is in the debates.

Obama opened up a can of worms in my opinion and I'd play on that myself. Use Executive Orders to change the system demanding either Congress act to fix it and if they can't then whatever Executive Order given to stand. I'd use an Executive Order stating intent of the 14th Amendment which is not intended to grant US Citizenship to those evading US Jurisdiction, then use the DOJ and Homeland Security to enforce it on states harshly. The courts will take years on it and given a few other issues with the courts I'd be planning to do the courts would be semi non fuctional with enough charges against the right judges to put that system down for awhile. Congress would have to act and I don't see Congress ever passing an Act that states illegal babies should get automatic ciitizenship so either Congress would agree or be stalled.

But Trump is smart. He knows enforcement, deportation, and even benefits being denied is in the Presidents hands. However the *pathway to legal status* is a Congressional issue and out of his hands beyond signing or vetoing. With Congress's deadlock he can play middle man doing what he can while softly saying Congress needs to do the rest which he will support. He'd have a LONG time to get rid of illegals before Congress would ever act and by the possible time the illegal issue may be small and minor where Congress simply ignores illegals once again.

Originally Posted by ReformUSA2012

I'll still throw my hat in for Trump and I don't see his words to mean exactly what the Media is trying to spin. To me he's trying to not cause such a fight on the issue.

1. He says he wants to build a huge wall along the border and essentially stop ALL future illegal immigration.
2. He wants to end any trade agreements where Mexico gets a better shake then the US (same for China). This includes him favoring things like tariffs on imports from those countries.
3. He wants to remove all benefits from illegal aliens so they can't abuse our system beyond jobs *if* they would qualify for whatever down the road.
4. He wants to remove any illegal alien with a criminal history, no exceptions (yet we don't know if he counts things like DUI, or driving without a license conviction as criminal history).
5. I believe I recall him saying he wanted to correct the 14th Amendment abuse so 1 parent must be a US Citizen or permanent resident to get citizenship for their children.
6. He wants to end illegals being able to get away with protesting and lobbying our politicians.

Now AFTER all that he is saying he *may* consider a pathway to legal status for work purposes. This may sound bad on its front but how many illegal aliens do people think will be left after all the benefits are gone, all the criminals are gone, no more automatic citizenship. All that is left is legal work for those who are law abiding beyond their initial illegal entry and no new illegals coming in.

So how many illegals do we think would be left? I would be thinking the vast majority would either be deported or pack up and leave. Some are willing to work but families won't be staying together if no automatic citizenship, no welfare, those with criminal convictions in the family being deported, and even possibly no free education for their children until legal status is made. I would think 5% maybe left after a year or two.

Thing is while I can say myself I love the idea of a strict deportation policy for every single illegal alien, military on the border locked and loaded, along with an end to any potential benefit to illegal aliens. That spoken stance politically won't work. The same objectives could be handled with a *friendlier* sounding approach that sounds *humane*. Remember a lot of moderate dems and independents are buying into that some of these illegal aliens are fleeing violence and persecution back home and are good people. So with that need a stance that doesn't demonize those *good* people with speaking about getting rid of the *bad* people. Those with their warm and cuddly heart feelings can feel good supporting him while in truth when the fixes start getting put in place its seen that very very few are those *good* people.

We can't win the Presidential election with speaking from a very harsh tone no matter our intentions. We won't win without winning over especially the Independents and while speaking harsh can win the Rep nomination what matters is the Independents as Dems will vote for the Dem and Reps will vote for the Rep. Its the independents who hold the real power. Trump is no fool.

I still say you're an amnesty supporter or your not. Besides that, I have absolutely no confidence in Trumps integrity. Remember, this is a man that has his own clothing line made in China. If he's so all-American, why didn't he insist on making the cloths under his name in the United States?

Originally Posted by MW

I still say you're an amnesty supporter or your not. Besides that, I have absolutely no confidence in Trumps integrity. Remember, this is a man that has his own clothing line made in China. If he's so all-American, why didn't he insist on making the cloths under his name in the United States?

So if you owned a business that required simple factory work with tons of competition you would buy your products made in the US with every piece of it manufactured in the US? Have it made in China and lets say it costs you total of $2 per piece but in the US it would cost you $10 per piece. Now this is at the wholesale level remember. So your competitors are selling their products to retailers at $8 per piece to a retailer which in turn sells it for $20 (60% average retail markup) but you have to sell yours at above $10 to make any profit while your competitors already have a 300% profit where its already a loss for you. The retailer doesn't want to pay $12 to you which is 50% more for a *Made in America* item because people want cheap and they also take less profit.

This is what happens and this is why many business's are forced into these practices if they want to even stay in business. Americans have shown time and time again they have no loyalty in mass towards American products and with very lax rules for saying something is *Made in America* it also fails. A business can buy all the parts for making an item overseas and just assemble in the US and they qualify for *Made in America* sadly.

Originally Posted by ReformUSA2012

So if you owned a business that required simple factory work with tons of competition you would buy your products made in the US with every piece of it manufactured in the US? Have it made in China and lets say it costs you total of $2 per piece but in the US it would cost you $10 per piece. Now this is at the wholesale level remember. So your competitors are selling their products to retailers at $8 per piece to a retailer which in turn sells it for $20 (60% average retail markup) but you have to sell yours at above $10 to make any profit while your competitors already have a 300% profit where its already a loss for you. The retailer doesn't want to pay $12 to you which is 50% more for a *Made in America* item because people want cheap and they also take less profit.

This is what happens and this is why many business's are forced into these practices if they want to even stay in business. Americans have shown time and time again they have no loyalty in mass towards American products and with very lax rules for saying something is *Made in America* it also fails. A business can buy all the parts for making an item overseas and just assemble in the US and they qualify for *Made in America* sadly.

I hear and understand what you're saying. However, I think Trump is being a hypocrite with his blasting of our trade policy and China when he is taking advantage of the situation out of pure greed. Personally, I think that says something about his integrity. If you're going to talk the talk, you have to walk the walk.

Originally Posted by MW

I hear and understand what you're saying. However, I think Trump is being a hypocrite with his blasting of our trade policy and China when he is taking advantage of the situation out of pure greed. Personally, I think that says something about his integrity. If you're going to talk the talk, you have to walk the walk.

It's not greed at all, it's simple business. You can't blame the businesses, you have to blame the cause of the circumstances that force them out of the country, which is government policy, starting with repealing the income tax and passing the FairTax and dissolving these outrageous free trade agreements. I don't know what Trump's position is on income taxes versus FairTax, but we certainly know what his position is on bad trade agreements.

You didn't blame Mitt Romney for all his offshore investments did you? Did you call him a hypocrite? Oh wait, he supported free trade treason. Well, there you have it.