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    EDITORIAL: The Civil War of 2016 (Tea Party vs Illegal Alien Mock Scenario)

    EDITORIAL: The Civil War of 2016

    U.S. military officers are told to plan to fight Americans

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    The Washington Times
    Tuesday, August 7, 2012



    Illustration: Battle worn Tea Party by Greg Groesch for The Washington Times

    Imagine Tea Party extremists seizing control of a South Carolina town and the Army being sent in to crush the rebellion. This farcical vision is now part of the discussion in professional military circles.

    At issue is an article in the respected Small Wars Journal titled “Full Spectrum Operations in the Homeland: A ‘Vision’ of the Future.” It was written by retired Army Col. Kevin Benson of the Army's University of Foreign Military and Cultural Studies at Fort Leavenworth, Kan., and Jennifer Weber, a Civil War expert at the University of Kansas. It posits an “extremist militia motivated by the goals of the ‘tea party’ movement” seizing control of Darlington, S.C., in 2016, “occupying City Hall, disbanding the city council and placing the mayor under house arrest.” The rebels set up checkpoints on Interstate 95 and Interstate 20 looking for illegal aliens. It’s a cartoonish and needlessly provocative scenario.

    The article is a choppy patchwork of doctrinal jargon and liberal nightmare. The authors make a quasi-legal case for military action and then apply the Army’s Operating Concept 2016-2028 to the situation. They write bloodlessly that “once it is put into play, Americans will expect the military to execute without pause and as professionally as if it were acting overseas.” They claim that “the Army cannot disappoint the American people, especially in such a moment,” not pausing to consider that using such efficient, deadly force against U.S. citizens would create a monumental political backlash and severely erode government legitimacy.

    The vision is hard to take seriously. As retired ArmyBrig. Gen. Russell D. Howard, a former professor at West Point, observed earlier in his career, “I am a colonel, colonels write a lot of crazy stuff, but no one listens to colonels, so I don’t see the problem.” Twenty years ago, then-Air Force Lt. Col. Charles J. Dunlap Jr. created a stir with an article in Parameters titled “The Origins of the American Military Coup of 2012.” It carried a disclaimer that the coup scenario was “purely a literary device intended to dramatize my concern over certain contemporary developments affecting the armed forces, and is emphatically not a prediction.”

    The scenario presented in Small Wars Journal isn’t a literary device but an operational lay-down intended to present the rationale and mechanisms for Americans to fight Americans. Col. Benson and Ms. Weber contend, “Army officers are professionally obligated to consider the conduct of operations on U.S. soil.” This is a dark, pessimistic and wrongheaded view of what military leaders should spend their time studying.

    A professor at the Joint Forces Staff College was relieved of duty in June for uttering the heresy that the United States is at war with Islam. The Obama administration contended the professor had to be relieved because what he was teaching was not U.S. policy. Because there is no disclaimer attached to the Small Wars piece, it is fair to ask, at least in Col. Benson’s case, whether his views reflect official policy regarding the use of U.S. military force against American citizens.

    The Washington Times

    UPDATE: The standard Defense Department disclaimer was added to the article after The Washington Times drew attention to the omission.

    source: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...l-war-of-2016/
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    US Army Tactical Manuals Describe How to Control Domestic Insurrection


    Susanne Posel
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    August 10, 2012

    In 2010, the US Army’s Operating Concept 2016-2028 was published and explains how armed forces in the US and overseas will behave in the future. Specific tactical operations, special “theater”, and organized forces are outlined along with the capabilities and priorities of the US armed divisions.


    In simple terms: a full spectrum operations manual that details stratagems both domestic and foreign.

    Presidential administrative National Security Strategy documents explain how to defend the Republic within domestic borders with suggested scenarios where a group of political reactionaries commandeer a prominent area of a town or city which requires that the US Army support local law enforcement in conjunction with state officials – including local government representatives.

    In times of domestic insurrection, the Executive Branch can enforce armed support to state governments and local police departments with or without their approval because the continuity of government is the endgame and must be preserved. In this event, domestic intelligence gathering become paramount to maintain a clear chain of military command to be able to stop the home-grown insurgency. This would empower the Department of Homeland Security with the approval of the President, to enact the Insurrection Act and deploy armed troops with in the US to stop rebellion, insurrection, and lawlessness. While the initial powers are reserved for the state and local governments, and Posse Comitatus (PCA) restricts and delays the Executive Branch in enforcement, the current presidential administration with the aid of the Pentagon is seeking to rescind the PCA in order to facilitate control over domestic terrorism.
    The Federal Protective Service (FPS) has been given the responsibility to protecting federally owned property while preparing for civilian led riots expected in the near future. And part of the preparatory measures was an order of 150 sets of riot gear that was requested to be filled exponentially.
    The FPS is anticipating that police or military wearing the gear would encounter “blunt force trauma” to the upper torso, as well as potential beatings with “blunt objects”.

    In June of this year, the US Army requested bids for riot gear that was answered by A2Z Supply Corp, in which specified equipment was to be delivered to West Point Academy in New York.

    The purpose of these patrol units was to aid “with civil unrest and crowd control or to deal with potentially horrific scenarios such as massive poisoning and chaos in response to a chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear or high-yield explosive, or CBRNE, attack” and provide “coordinate defense support of civil authorities” under NORTHCOM and other commands including federal homeland defense efforts.

    As outlined in the Intelligence Preparation of the Battlefield (IPB) processes are defined by operational environments in regard to battle space, effects, evaluation of threats and adversaries while determining the course of action. In regard to civil situations, and to maintain intelligence and operational purposes, preparations with regard to terrain are inconsequential.

    Enabled by an executive order from 1982, which states that intelligence gathering abroad could be used domestically and on American citizens, permanent resident aliens which are categorized as American persons.

    According to the RAND Corporation document , Street Smart: Intelligence Preparation of the Battlefield for Urban Operations, the use of IPB in urban areas will alleviate some of the anticipated “analytic difficulties posed by urbanized areas.”

    By training in American cities, the armed forces can realize maneuvers and special considerations that are needed to control urban infrastructure in the case of civil disturbance and insurrection. Having foreknowledge of the people living in the specified cities that are marked for control assist in the “critical operational success” of not only “knowing the enemy” but also the ability to retain a level of concealment and surprise.

    When the US Army is “called upon to operate in villages, towns, and cities their directive will be to “neutralize American citizen’s technological capabilities” using “sophisticated intelligence equipment” and advanced tactical training.

    The Marine Corp has created a law-enforcement battalion (ELB) consisting of specialized military police officers (SMP) will take the role of current street cops while still remaining part of the Marine Corp.

    SMPs would be deployed to assist in any event of civil disturbance, handling of detainees, use biometrics to identify suspects and conduct forensic work. Their assistance is not limited to conducting DUIs and writing speeding tickets in an effort to re-brand the Marine Corps as being more involved with average work now allocated to local law enforcement.

    The Marine Corp Intelligence Requirements Handbooks presents new methodology to combat civilian rebellions and is meant to inspire intelligence professionals working on computer-based intelligence efforts.

    The tactical operations, combined with the current training exercises being observed across our nation were laid out in documents like this. And the evidence that this is real and is being planned for are coming in eye witness reports at a staggering rate.

    National Guard has been witnessed in Virginia conducting “wellness checks” and patrolling residential neighborhoods as well as downtown city areas.
    One of the numerous reports of preparations for martial law that are happening across the nation is taking place now until August 17th in Sheboygan County, Wisconsin where a training exercise with M1117 armored security military vehicles that were used in Afghanistan to hunt for insurgents.

    The US Army Reserve “wanted to alert the public to the training dates so residents are not alarmed when a pack of heavily armored military vehicles is driving around the county.”

    Captain William Gedddes commented that the drills were conducted to make sure the officers remain alert and do not become “rusty” in their training with the M1117s.

    While the Sheboygan County police department had no foreknowledge of the drill, Geddes commented that locals should not “create safety hazards” on the roads be drawing attention to the vehicles.

    The US Army, wanting to control the public perception of their drills, claimed that they were training on civilian roadways and wanted to make this known to the public so as to not insight speculation as to their presence.



    The Pentagon, decrying the false flag assertion of increased use of improvised explosive devices (IEDs) in the US, is asking Congress to lay aside Posse Comitatus (PCA) in an effort to increase their use of military on the streets of America.

    According to Section 1385 of the Posse Comitatus Act: “Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or the Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.”

    While specialized military police are currently working with local law enforcement, the Pentagon is attempting to alleviate “legal restrictions on the activities of US armed forces” by convincing Congress that the PCA is unnecessary.

    Law-enforcement battalions , consisting of specialized military police officers (SMP), are being set up to work with local police while remaining part of the Marine Corp.

    SMPs would be deployed to assist in any event of civil disturbance, handling of detainees, use biometrics to identify suspects and conduct forensic work. Their assistance is not limited to conducting DUIs and writing speeding tickets in an effort to re-brand the Marine Corps as being more involved with average work now allocated to local law enforcement.

    Citing James Holmes’ apartment and use of home-made bombs, Army Lt. Gen. Michael Barbero told Congress that the threat “from both homegrown terrorists and global threat networks is real and presents a significant security challenge for the United States and our international partners.”
    Furthermore, USNORTHCOM and Leon Panetta, US Secretary of Defense, has readily admitted that US armed forces will collaborate with local law enforcement “if called upon”.

    The US Army has put out a solicitation for riot gear in preparation for civilian unrest in the US. On their official government website, the call for non-lethal equipment coincides with requests from DHS for allocation of riot shields, face masks, polycarbonate batons and body armor.
    In collaboration with an executive order signed in 2001 by former President George W. Bush, DHS will “coordinate the executive branch’s efforts to detect, prepare for, prevent, protect against, respond to and recover from terrorist attacks within the United States.”

    Contained within the US Army Military Police training manual for Civil Disturbance Operations are outlines describing how the US military will use the arsenal at their disposal to quell domestic riots, confiscate firearms and kill Americans during times of mass civil unrest.

    The explicit use of “deadly force” when confronting “dissidents” is clearly stated with the refusal of a “warning shot” and the directives toward weapons that rioters or demonstrators will experience in the name of continuity of government.

    Many citizens are witnessing movement of military equipment from the East and the West coasts of America. In plain sight, a train carrying tanks was seen come through Burbank, California.

    The globalist Fascists who are turning our free nation in to a Dictatorship view this probable fact as a threat and are preparing to quash it right now. Because of this infiltrated takeover of our country, we are all in grave danger.

    VIDEO: WAKE UP HUNDREDS OF TANKS AND ARMOR MOVING IN CALIFORNIA COMING THROUGH BURBANK

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=VkYfSXy7XGo




    source: » US Army Tactical Manuals Describe How to Control Domestic Insurrection Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!
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    Discomforting bedtime reading, or it might be comforting bedtime reading. Up to one's own perception, dating in origin back 30 years, 1982.

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    Wary but hopeful at the same time is how this strikes me. Hopeful that the feds are moving materiel to secure our border. When/if we do that (30 years late) with armed cartells so near, obvioiusly they will respond negatively. As a friend of mine said 5 yearss ago when this comes to a boil, it is foregone conclusion that someone will become martyrs. Troops will conduct house to house searches for smugglers, drugs,etc to financially cripple the cartels an reduce street violence. That would lead to street demonstrations and or fights.

    Of course there are other scenarios or opinions that I could form from all this It may mean we ae preparing for some foreign intervention again. Any scenario imaginable would require that preparations for any scenario requires as much secrecy as possible. The tanks could be as simple as materiel returning from war zones, but I don't know. That would make a good cover story if gov't was asked.

    If/or when gov't does attempt to stop illegal immigration and drug smuggling simultaneously because of so many inter-connections inside our borders it will require multi-faceted planning and actions. The price that has to be accepted for procrastination and amnestyif they take o drug wars and border control at the same time but he two are hard to separate. .

    Then again, being wary rather than hopeful, with our appetite for cheap labor and drugs, I find it hard to believe any of the above to be near reality. What then is reality?

    It may be quite likely to be saber rattling for Iran's benefit, probably the most likely. Should Israel take action, we have to be ready to respond/participate.

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    Everyone needs to quit worrying about the U.S. military turning on the American people. It ain't gonna happen. They would be MUCH more likely to turn on D.C. This crap is nothing more than fear mongering.
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    Ive been reading through these articles and the source documents as much as possible today. There is much more going on here than "fear mongering".

    At the very best this is horrible defamation and an attempt to intimidate the Tea Party conservatives and our movement against illegal immigration. At the worst, this is the beginning of planning to use the US military against us.

    While current US forces might hesitate to attack our own citizens, the few million illegal aliens Mitt Romney and Marco Rubio want to place in the US military would not hesitate to follow orders to deploy against us and the Tea Party.

    There needs to be a lot of outrage against this.

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    Our country is strong not exclusively because of the second amendment but because of the undying belief in and the iron WILL to use the first and second amendments to defend our freedoms at all cost. The axis powers recognized this and knew that any invasion and subsequent attempt to subdue and disarm the "American population" would be suicidal and doomed to failure. I say "American population" because federal forces would be unnecessary in such a scenario and would serve to only HASTEN the defeat of any invader.

    The beauty of the Tea Party is that it is truly a grass roots movement made up of people everywhere, highly and deliberately decentralized by design. That which is everywhere cannot be defeated. Collectively, we make up the largest armed militia in the world.
    ...I call on you in the name of Liberty, of patriotism & everything dear to the American character, to come to our aid...

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    Quote Originally Posted by TexasBorn View Post
    Our country is strong not exclusively because of the second amendment but because of the undying belief in and the iron WILL to use the first and second amendments to defend our freedoms at all cost. The axis powers recognized this and knew that any invasion and subsequent attempt to subdue and disarm the "American population" would be suicidal and doomed to failure. I say "American population" because federal forces would be unnecessary in such a scenario and would serve to only HASTEN the defeat of any invader.

    The beauty of the Tea Party is that it is truly a grass roots movement made up of people everywhere, highly and deliberately decentralized by design. That which is everywhere cannot be defeated. Collectively, we make up the largest armed militia in the world.
    Very optimistic view, but I would caution against over confidence against the US military and a Federal government with more money, people, guns, and domestic surveillance capacity than any prior group on planet earth.

    The American public has very little true preparation or expectation to deal with a threat on the level described in these articles. The enemy is well financed, moving incrementally, controls all major communications networks, controls the Executive Branch of the US Government, may be backed by multiple other nations and Global super powers, and appears to be winning at this moment with their illegal alien invaders lining up for work permits tomorrow.

    The illegal alien paramilitaries alone have enough troops, guns, ammo, supply lines, and determination to hit targeted communities on any given night and have smoke rising from every county in America by sunup.

    Please, never ever underestimate an enemy or rely on over optimistic self comfort. We need to be realists here.

    In all my years of doing this, these articles are the most aggressive suggestion to date of military suppression of American citizens and the most hostile propaganda every deployed against ALIPAC.

    The Minutemen groups are long gone. This article is directed at Tea Party and groups like ALIPAC and NumbersUSA. They used the term "Minutemen" instead because that is a generally recognized term to Americans and because there are no national Minutemen groups left to respond to this attack.

    My main question now is not if Americans can win in a civil war where the Executive Branch of the US Government attacks Conservatives, but what can we do from this point forward to prevent a civil war like the one Obama supporters are suggesting in these articles?

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    I agree that it is unwise to ever underestimate your adversary. In the circles in which I run, there is a real cognizance of the environment in which we find ourselves. On the Minutemen, as an organization, they may have faded from public view, but like the Tea Party movement, are everywhere, wide awake and much more active then what folks are led to believe. I personally try to keep my finger on the pulse of the "sheepdogs" in our country, active duty military, veterans and law enforcement. I am confident when I say that these people aren't taking the state of our nation lying down. By the way, the reference to sheepdogs comes from an excellent article on gun control and the second amendment, by a retired Lt. Col., a highly recommended read.

    On Sheep, Wolves, and Sheepdogs - Dave Grossman

    Regarding the potential troublemakers, the looney left and the anarchists...they make noise and do a lot of saber rattling but IMO, are reincarnated dregs from the 60's and childish malcontents, people who will always have something to protest and complain about. They are cowards by nature and will melt away when confronted with the reality of an aware and angry population. We can do nothing about the heated rhetoric emanating from these lowlifes and should rely on the rule of law to keep them in check. It is ONLY when the rule of law is turned against conservative Americans to the extent that there is no longer peaceful recourse, that we all must make a personal decision as to whether our government "of the people" is any longer recognizable and forceful confrontation is our only salvation. Our forefathers knew this well and we would be wise to never forget the lessons they've taught.


    Quote Originally Posted by ALIPAC View Post
    Very optimistic view, but I would caution against over confidence against the US military and a Federal government with more money, people, guns, and domestic surveillance capacity than any prior group on planet earth.

    The American public has very little true preparation or expectation to deal with a threat on the level described in these articles. The enemy is well financed, moving incrementally, controls all major communications networks, controls the Executive Branch of the US Government, may be backed by multiple other nations and Global super powers, and appears to be winning at this moment with their illegal alien invaders lining up for work permits tomorrow.

    The illegal alien paramilitaries alone have enough troops, guns, ammo, supply lines, and determination to hit targeted communities on any given night and have smoke rising from every county in America by sunup.

    Please, never ever underestimate an enemy or rely on over optimistic self comfort. We need to be realists here.

    In all my years of doing this, these articles are the most aggressive suggestion to date of military suppression of American citizens and the most hostile propaganda every deployed against ALIPAC.

    The Minutemen groups are long gone. This article is directed at Tea Party and groups like ALIPAC and NumbersUSA. They used the term "Minutemen" instead because that is a generally recognized term to Americans and because there are no national Minutemen groups left to respond to this attack.

    My main question now is not if Americans can win in a civil war where the Executive Branch of the US Government attacks Conservatives, but what can we do from this point forward to prevent a civil war like the one Obama supporters are suggesting in these articles?

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