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    Electronic Voting Machines Alleged Irregularities Leads to Recounts in WI., MI., PA.

    Electronic Voting Machines Alleged Irregularities Leads to Recounts in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania

    Thursday, Dec. 1, 2016 | ProCon.org | MORE HEADLINES

    Jill Stein fills out paperwork to initiate a recount in Wisconsin.
    Source: Josh Katzowitz, "Jill Stein Says She Wanted Recount Because 2016 Election Was Filled with Hacking," dailydot.com, Nov. 26, 2016
    The 2016 Green Party presidential nominee Jill Stein launched a campaign on Nov. 22, 2016 to initiate recounts in battleground states Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania. She stated that the recount campaign was "a multi-partisan effort to check the accuracy of the machine-counted vote tallies in these states in order to ensure the integrity of our elections." Stein is especially concerned with potential hacking efforts because the voting machines used are allegedly especially vulnerable to security attacks. Ajamu Baraka, Stein"s running mate, stated, "I am not in favor of the recount" because "it was a potentially dangerous move" that could "be seen as carrying the water for the Democrats."

    Concern about the security of voting machines is not new but was compounded in the 2016 election by hacks into the Democratic National Convention and leaks of over 40,000 emails by WikiLeaks. Admiral Michael Rogers, Director of the National Security Agency, and James Clapper, Director of National Intelligence, stated the hacks were carried out by Russians. Further, there is evidence of an attempt to hack voter databases in Arizona and Illinois by hackers with Russian IP addresses.

    The Clinton campaign had been encouraged to file for recounts by computer scientists and election lawyers who found that Clinton may have been denied as many as 30,000 votes in Wisconsin (she lost the state by 27,000 votes) because she received 7% fewer votes in districts that use electronic voting machines, compared to those using optical scanners and paper ballots. The Clinton campaign joined Stein's efforts on Nov. 26, 2016 after it was announced that Wisconsin would recount their votes on Nov. 25. Hillary Clinton's counsel, Marc Elias stated that the campaign had had no plans to initiate a recount themselves because "we had not uncovered any actionable evidence of hacking or outside attempts to alter the voting technology."

    President-Elect Donald Trump stated: "This recount is just a way for Jill Stein, who received less than one percent of the vote overall and wasn't even on the ballot in many states, to fill her coffers with money, most of which she will never even spend on this ridiculous recount. This is a scam by the Green Party for an election that has already been conceded, and the results of this election should be respected instead of being challenged and abused, which is exactly what Jill Stein is doing."

    Wisconsin requires $1.1 million to initiate a recount. The Stein campaign met the cost and the Nov. 25 deadline, and the state expects the recount to begin this week and cost a total of $3.5 million. But election officials stated on Nov. 25 that they had found no evidence of hacking and refused to perform the recount by hand as Stein requested. In response, Stein filed a lawsuit on Nov. 29 to try to force a recount by hand instead of by machines. A judge ruled against Stein on Nov. 30, stating there was no legal reason to require a hand recount.

    Pennsylvania requires $500,000 by Nov. 28 to perform a recount. Stein missed the deadline for a voter-initiated recount (Nov. 21), but has filed a lawsuit to try to require that Pennsylvania recount the votes. A hearing is set for Dec. 5.

    Michigan requires $600,000 by Nov. 30 to initiate the recount. Stein requested the recount on Nov. 30 and will pay at least $973,250 for the Michigan recount, but the Michigan Secretary of State, Ruth Johnson, says the effort could cost as much as $2 million. The recount is expected to begin as soon as Dec. 4

    Stein's campaign states that the total cost is likely to be $6-7 million dollars after filing fees, attorney fees, and other costs.

    Recounts in the three states will only change the outcome of the election if enough of the votes were miscounted that Clinton wins all three states' electoral votes (a total of 46), a possibility experts are calling slim, especially considering Michigan was awarded to Trump on Nov. 28, 2016.

    http://www.procon.org/headline.php?headlineID=005332

    Sources:

    CBS News, "Jill Stein's Pennsylvania Recount Efforts, What You Need to Know," cbsnews.com, Nov. 28, 2016

    Andrew Clark, "Ouch – Jill Stein's Scam Recount in Wisconsin Is off to a Pretty Bad Start," ijr.com, Nov. 29, 2016

    Andrew Clark, "A Wisconsin Judge Just Poured Cold Water All over Jill Stein's Recount," ijr.com, Nov. 30, 2016.

    Marina Fang, "Data Scientists Encourage Hillary Clinton to Challenge Election Results," huffingtonpost.com, Nov. 22, 2016

    J. Alex Halderman, "Want to Know If the Election Was Hacked? Look at the Ballots," medium.com. Nov. 23, 2016

    Tom LoBianco, "Green Party Files for Wisconsin Recount, Audit," cnn.com, Nov. 25, 2016

    Brian Manzullo, "Jill Stein Explains Rationale of Michigan Presidential Recount Request," frrep.com, Dec. 1, 2016

    Anna Orso and Mark Dent, "Jill Stein's Pennsylvania Recount Lawsuit Gets a Hearing," billpenn.com, Nov. 29, 2016

    Damian Paletta, "Intelligence Officials Reiterate Russian Responsibility for Recent Hacks," wsj.com, Oct. 20, 2016

    Kathzie Pena Yambao, "Election Officials: Voting Machines Not Hacked in Wisconsin," newsline.com, Nov. 28, 2016

    John Ribeiro, "Wisconsin to Recount US Presidential Election Vote after Hack Concerns," pcworld.com, Nov. 25, 2016

    Ron Rivest and Phillip Stark, "Still Time for an Election Audit: Column," usatoday.com, Nov. 18, 2016

    Matthew Rozsa, "2016 Wisconsin Recount: What Exactly Is Happening?," slate.com, Nov. 28, 2016

    Eugene Scott, "Clinton to Join Recount That Trump Calls ‘Scam,'" cnn.com, Nov. 28, 2016

    Gabriel Sherman, "Experts Urge Clinton Campaign to Challenge Election Results in 3 Swing States," nymag.com, Nov. 22, 2016

    Jill Stein for President, "Stein/Baraka Campaign Launches Recounts in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania to Restore Confidence in our Voting System," jill2016.com, Nov. 22, 2016

    Jill Stein for President, "#Recount2016," jill2016.com (accessed Nov. 28, 2016)

    Jessica Taylor, "Trump Officially Wins Michigan as Possible Recount Looms," npr.org, Nov. 28, 2016

    Rob Tornoe & Angela Couloumbis, "Despite Lawsuit, Recount of Pennsylvania Remains Unlikely," philly.com, Nov. 28, 2016

    Eli Watkins, "Jill Stein Running Mate: 'I’m Not in Favor of the Recount,'" cnn.com, Nov. 29, 2016

    Philip Wegman, "Pennsylvania State Department Says Stein Missed Recount Deadline," washingtonexaminer.com, Nov. 28, 2016

    Robert Windrem, William K. Arkin, and Ken Dilanian, "Russians Hacked Two U.S. Voter Databases, Officials Say," nbcnews.com, Aug. 30, 2016
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    Pa State Dept says Stein missed deadline..
    http://www.alipac.us/f9/green-party-...states-340898/
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    I'm really surprised they would want to open that can of worms - with illegals, and other possibly bought votes.
    Personally, I think this is just a way to get a lot of money into the hands of someone who will use it for other purposes.
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    Unfortunately, don't think the check is for non-citizens voting.
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    No mention of checking for illegal votes!
    “After a presidential election tarnished by the use of outdated and unreliable machines and accusations of irregularities and hacks, people of all political persuasions are asking if our election results are reliable.”

    “We must recount the votes so we can build trust in our election system. We need to verify the vote in this and every election so that Americans of all parties can be sure we have a fair, secure and accurate voting system,” Stein added.
    Wisconsin Election Officials Confident That Recount Will Still Favor Trump

    "It is going to be a very tight and aggressive timeline."

    by Charles Campbell November 28, 2016 at 3:38pm

    The drama of election season seems to keep dragging on now that Democrats and Green Party members have moved for a recount in Wisconsin. Nonetheless, state election officials are confident that the results will still uphold President-elect Donald Trump’s victory in the state.
    State Elections Commission Chairman Mark Thomsen told reporters he was confident the recount would still uphold a Trump victory, and that election officials have not found any evidence that there was tampering with the election results.
    The recount, which was requested by Green Party candidate Jill Stein, will begin on Thursday under a plan approved by the State Elections Commission. The plan calls for Wisconsin’s recount to be finished by 8 p.m. on Dec. 12.

    Federal guidelines dictate that disputes involving the presidential election must be settled within 35 days of Election Day — which makes this year’s deadline December 13.
    Stein requested that the recount be done by hand, but the Wisconsin Elections Commission rejected her proposal, instead offering officials in each of Wisconsin’s 72 counties the option to decide which method they will use.
    Stein responded to the commission’s rejection with a threat to sue.

    The Green Party Candidate explained on Monday why she thought a recount was necessary.
    “Americans deserve a voting system we can trust,” Stein said in the statement, released by the public relations firm Berlin Rosen. “After a presidential election tarnished by the use of outdated and unreliable machines and accusations of irregularities and hacks, people of all political persuasions are asking if our election results are reliable.”

    “We must recount the votes so we can build trust in our election system. We need to verify the vote in this and every election so that Americans of all parties can be sure we have a fair, secure and accurate voting system,” Stein added.

    Wisconsin Elections Supervisor Ross Hein disputed Stein’s claim of hacking, saying the voting machines weren’t connected to the internet, making it almost impossible to hack them.

    “In order to access the equipment, you would have to actually get your hands on it,” said Hein.
    Hein said that the officials in Wisconsin who were overseeing the recount will have to put in long hours in order to meet the deadline.

    “It is going to be a very tight and aggressive timeline,” he said.

    http://www.westernjournalism.com/wis...l-favor-trump/
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    It's really silly in my opinion for a candidate who received so few votes to be able to file for a recount. It is not appropriate for a Jill Stein or any other candidate to file for recounts that have no electable purpose for themselves. In other words, you have to challenge the results for the purpose of winning the election yourself in order to file the petition or request for a recount. That should be the first condition of the filing. Then you can have reasons after that for why you think something went wrong, but first you have to show that a recount could change the outcome of the election that would make you the winner. Otherwise, this is silly. Political candidates and yes governments do a lot of silly things, and we should start demanding an end to political games that waste people's time, energy and money.

    Something for the states to at least think about.
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    Stein is in cahoots with hillary & soros - wonder how much they paid her to front this? hillary & soros are both twisted people.

    Hillary was dangerously irresponsible as SOS, not just with emails but killing Gadaddi unleashed Africa on EU. Her fix with debate questions, news media, enormous $$$ pay to play - she is a disgrace. And whacko - 1st public appearance after her loss, she looked like a mental case. She could have washed her fair, put on the make up?

    She is a nut and we dodged a bullet with her defeat.
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    December 2, 2016 By Kristie McDonald

    BREAKING: Michigan AG sues to block Jill Stein’s recount

    Michigan Attorney General Bill Schuette announced on Friday that he would be suing to block Green Party presidential nominee Jill Stein’s recount request in the state.
    “Today I am filing suit to stop @DrJillStein’s frivolous, expensive recount request,” Schuette, a Republican, said in a tweet.
    Today I am filing suit to stop @DrJillStein‘s frivolous, expensive recount request.
    — A.G. Bill Schuette (@SchuetteOnDuty) December 2, 2016
    Mich voters rejected @DrJillStein‘s candidacy and her refusal to accept verified results poses an expensive &a risky threat to MI taxpayers.
    — A.G. Bill Schuette (@SchuetteOnDuty) December 2, 2016
    It is inexcusable for Stein to put MI votes at risk of paying millions and potentially losing their voice in the Elec College.
    — A.G. Bill Schuette (@SchuetteOnDuty) December 2, 2016
    I have filed an emergency motion with the Mich Supreme Court to bypass the Court of Appeals to ensure a timely process.
    — A.G. Bill Schuette (@SchuetteOnDuty) December 2, 2016
    The Hill reports,
    Stein has filed for recounts in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, citing concerns that the states’ voting systems may have been compromised. She has said she knows she won’t win the states, but that the recounts are about making sure the results are legitimate.
    President-elect Donald Trump won all three of the states and has filed complaints to block the recounts in Pennsylvania and Michigan.
    Read more at The Hill

    http://eheadlines.com/breaking-michi...teins-recount/
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    Well, good for him!! Thank you! Some common sense followed up with action.

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    Federal judge denies quick halt to recount
    Milwaukee Journal Sentinel - 2 hours ago
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