Thread: Embarrassing addition to the ALIPAC Rules

Embarrassing Addition to the ALIPAC Rules

Friends of ALIPAC:

Due to problems with a handful of users on the ALIPAC boards, we have added an embarrassing addition to our rules.

Rule 2.5 clearly states that there is to be no violence, weapons talk or avatars on our boards.

Unfortunately, we have now added the following line to the rules

2.5
NO VIOLENT LANGUAGE ALLOWED, NO GUN/WEAPONS TALK or AVATARS No discussion of insurrection or Civil War caused by Americans.

It is a shame that we have had to add this to the rules. We cannot accurately ascertain if the users that keep causing a problem with these comments are people that are upset with illegal immigration and the government or if they are provocateurs sent by the Open Borders Lobby to PRINT VERY STUPID THINGS on our website to set us up.

What we can tell is that even if a rational person was afraid that American citizens were going to take up arms and do something radical in America that they would have enough sense not to vocalize those concerns here on our boards thus compromising our ability to focus on the political efforts we are engaged in.

This rule has been added, there may be fallout and damages that result in it having to be displayed.

All ALIPAC MODERATORS AND ADMINS are now instructed to immediately ban any board user that makes a statement about armed insurrection, Civil War, or other instability that lacks the qualifying statement that their concern is about the illegal aliens rioting or the illegal aliens causing a Civil War etc...

It angers me a great deal that people would come here and use our Discussion Groups without considering what such posts could mean or do.

From now on, zero tolerance. If your goal is to advocate armed revolt against the US government then get the hell off of our boards. If that is not your intent, you had better make it very very clear or you are gone.

It is a federal felony with imprisonment for up to 20 years for certain comments and you need to step far back away from that line people.

Any questions?

William Gheen
President, Americans for Legal Immigration PAC.

I think this is an excellent rule. After all, we're the "nation-preservers" not the "nation-wreckers." We'll leave that schtick for the unruly mob of demostraters that are going to be hitting the streets on May Day, egged on by the Communists and Socialists and all the other nation-wreckers.

And you are exactly right, William. That kind of violent, "revolutionary" talk is the stock-and-trade of the infiltrators who want to discredit what we're doing here. We're all angry about whats happening in our country, and it doesn't take much to push a desparate or unstable individual over the edge in that direction. To the detriment of what this fine organization stands for.

And believe me, I've lived in "the People's Republic of Berkeley" off and on for almost 30 years. I've heard all that "violent revolution" talk. And I've seen what it ammounts to. Nothing. Its EASY to destroy something. All you need is a can of gasoline and a match. But to BUILD and PRESERVE something is much harder. And thats what our task is.

And yes, the very same type of undercover agitators infiltrated the Black Panthers and the anti-war movement and many other well-meaning leftist movements here in the Bay Area in the '60s. Sowing the seeds of violence and destruction. And most of those movements were destroyed from the inside. You're exactly on the mark, William

This is the harsh conflict between providing a forum for free speech and what limits should be placed on that speech. No easy answer.

Free speech has nothing to do with it. This forum belongs to a man who has dedicated a goodly amount of time and resources to fight against illegal immigration.

When people come in here talking stupid nonsense and flinging about racist remarks, it only serves to undermine the purpose of the board, which is to educate people about the negative effects of illegal immigration and what we must do to put a stop to it.

Freedom of speech is a good thing. But freedom of speech doesn't extend beyond the boundaries of the organization offering the venue to speak.

Those who want to talk about those things we don't talk about here should go setup their own boards and see how long the FCC lets them stay up and running. Furthermore, see how many members will come back day after day to gather information and pointers like they do here.

Free speech has nothing to do with it? That reply surprises me.

Steve, this forum isn't about free speech. It is about illegal immigration and it always has been.

Sorry if I offended you with my comment but I call it like I see it.

If people start thinking they can type any old thing in here they happen to feel like, not only will we not have members, we will lose the focus we fight to maintain and, as a result, we will accomplish much less.

If someone comes to my house and starts calling me names or bad-mouthing my kids or my mother or my husband, how long do you think I'll let them hang around? See the parallel?

If you let people go to your page and start calling other people ugly names and telling lies about anything and everything just because it sounds good, do you think your page would be nearly as effective? You put a great deal of effort into your page and you wouldn't sit back and let someone else ruin it in the name of free speech.

Free speech encompasses a large territory. And, if you really think about it, free speech does not exist in this country-- it has become nothing more than an ideal.

I agree with the rules. There are lots of other places to post crazy stuff. I go to lots of crazy places to see what skinheads, Nazis, Klansmen and those like them are saying. Some of the stuff is off the hook and really violent. I happen to like Mexicans and it pains me to see all this stuff coming down like it is. I don't even think it's their fault, It is the fault of our leaders. Our leaders are concerened about what these Illegals are mad about but they are not concerned about what we the people are mad about.

Oh heavens yes! The Senate "compromise" has lifted the bar to a whole new level at fanatical organizations and websites. One group even attacked me for telling them we still have laws and our military must be permitted to have a crack at any threats first. They don't want to hear that though, as they desire to take matters into their own hands outside the law FIRST. Which is not the way we do things here in America.

What some of them say can be legitimate, but only as a last resort when all other LAWFUL methods have failed.

If we permit our own citizens to work outside of the law as well as the illegals - then we cease to be a civilized country.

They may have verbally attacked me and threatened to make me a target along with the "illegal scumbags" - but I won't give their threats any weight. A nation of laws FIRST.

Just a question...

What happened to the original three replies to this thread?

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good addition to the rules

we have to be very careful here, especially when OBL trolls watch carefully for material they can use against us