Thread: The Failure to Organize

Dear concerned citizens:

I understand because of cognitive dissonance this is going to get negative feedback but I must say it nonetheless. We as citizens have failed. Not only in being able to stop illegal immigrants from flooding into the country but also in the ways of failure to organize and to stand up to the minority in this country. Not the racial minority but the law violating minority. This failure has created a great policy change that will sweep now through the halls of Congress because everyone was too scared to call in sick to their job for one day and save their country from those who should not be here to begin with.

If Gheen and his cronies would get the balls needed to mass organize protests in the United States like the hispanic groups were able to do for illegal immigration we would have had this thing won and long gone. FAILURE TO ORGANIZE MEANS DEATH. Whether you think that your Congressmen will remember that you voted for them or not doesn't mean a hill of beans when there is an ARMY OF PROTESTORS that is only second to the MILLION MAN MARCH.

Gheen and the rest of this rag-tag band of so-called patriots has failed to do the one thing that was set out to be done: stop illegal immigration. I have been receiving notices from ALIPAC since Gray Davis signed the driver license bill for illegal immigrants. Back then I was so angry I felt I could hold the border myself. But as I have received notices from this website for so long and these little "victories" that are relayed to me are as pathetic as the counter protests that I heard about. How many people counter protested? Like ten? That is sad!!!

Well I speak Spanish already and I work for a law firm so I'll be set. But the rest of you better learn quick. I guess I will play my violin while Rome burns...

Hey Beckman!!

Look, here is the situation as I see it. You are a lawyer so you maybe what I have to say will ring true with you. We have an illegal immigration problem because the US Government has conspired, yes conspired, en masse to fail and betray the American People. Two years ago many millions of Americans were crying out for solutions to the overwhelming illegal immigration problem, including moi, I was ignored by the President of the United States whose job it is to enforce US Immigration Law.

I was ignored and every other American Citizen concerned with this issue was ignored.

Then, as the issue mounted and heightened in importance right before the 2004 elections, the President of the United States came out with the absurd nonsense of a Guest Worker Program.

The Mexicans and others thought by this announcement that they already had amnesty and poured through the borders in even greater numbers and became more bold and daring in their approach to taking over our country. And the Wackident smiled and looked at what he had done and said "That is good."

Then as months passed, I realized we had a problem alright, but the problem wasn't at the borders. The problem was in the White House.

The problem is still in the White House.

Until this President is removed from the White House, we will continue to have a problem at the borders, no matter who protests, how many protest, no matter what legislation is passed or not passed.

The problem is in the White House.

The solution to this problem lies neatly in the United States Constitution which empowers the American People through their elected representatives to remove this problem from the White House.

This requires no clogging of streets; no one missing work; no confrontations between American Citizens and foreign nationals; no threats; no injury. This is the procedure for a non-violent solution carefully and meticulously laid out in the United States Constitution by our Founding Fathers for this moment, this day, this time, this problem we now have in the American White House.

Impeach and Remove this President and Vice President and make Dennis Hastert, President of the United States. He is the Speaker of the House of Representatives, the elected body that just passed by a wide margin HB 4437 to solve the problem on the borders.

I will gladly protest. I've never protested before. For the first time in my life I want to. I want to don a head band; an arm band; drape myself in an American Flag; and hit the streets somewhere. All of us do. But where? When? How?

We are not day laborers with nothing else to do. We do not have a $4 Billion National Council of La Raza funded by corporate traitors funding a protest of our law, our process, our nation fighting politically to save itself. It is not as easy as it seems.

What is easy and something we have already paid for as Americans is an Impeachment and Removal Process. All the people involved are already on our payroll and very well paid and insured and vacationed and perked and expensed. These are our elected representatives. If they want to continue to receive their nice payrolls, health insurance, paid vacations, retirement accounts, perks and expenses...then they know they need to abide the Will of the People.

What is the Will of the People?

Have the American People made their wishes known to their elected representatives about our problem in the White House causing all the problems at the borders resulting in major problems for the American People in every city and small town and village in America?

Well, don't you think it's about time we made our wishes known to our elected representatives?

Lets protest. But lets also make our demands known to our elected representatives in no uncertain terms that we want these globalist lawless traitors out of our government and we want them out N O W.

I voted for the pair twice. I'm a 4th generation Republican. But I am first an American like all other Americans who love my country first and my party second and this Renegade Government it has installed none at all.

We have a Renegade Government...ignoring the needs, expectations, and laws of the American People.

It may be time to protest. But it's long over due that we remove this Renegade Government from our Premises utilizing the simple procedure provided for this purpose by our Founding Fathers.

What say you?

we need someone to organize a massive march. setup a website and start spreading it. the public is thirsty!

I generally agree with what Beckman says.


There is a lot of talk, but not as much VISIBLE action. The pro-illegal groups make the news. The media loves the pro-illegals.

There are 20 million illegals and 300 million US citizens.

Where are the 300 million, even half of them? even a quarter of them? Why aren't pro-borders pro-enforcement people out in the streets in numbers.

The squeeky wheel gets the grease.

All the phone calls, emails, faxes are a great help, but it seems like 500,000 people on the street on the news in the evening is a stronger voice than 500,000 phone calls, emails and faxes.

I haven't given up the phone calls, but we need a LOUDER voice.

Sitting around waiting for the constitution to take care of itself is NAIVE.

There are laws on the books that states every person who didn't cross at a recognized border crossing is a criminal, there is no political will of enforcement, nor political will to build a border.

WE NEED A LOUDER VOICE

Many businesses are very adept at controlling the political system to hide there use of illegal labor. The Chambers of commerce hands are dirty and there credibilty will slip in there communities.

Faith based organizations have tax free unlimited funds to to organize and lie. They are myopic and don't see who they hurt.

We are out telling the truth and now we can point to the rallys this weekend for proof of being overrun by illegals.

Your conversations with your neighbors and freinds in a calm but concerned manner will make your point.

The city I live has a comprhensive plan that will build a wonderful life for many. But, Guest worker will increase our unemployment and lower our wages. So chuck that plan in the toilet and get ready to serve the business elite.

this is why I have a tough time living within the system. Because American government is well thought out does'nt mean it works well. Those who bait you when you tell them of your passionate concern for the american worker and strong life style, will taste there folly. (make sure you begin to record there quotes per batum

The people will get the government they deserve.

If the American workers won't stand up for themself at this juncture do we still hold them in high regard

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Beckman said he worked for a law firm not that he was an attorney. If he were a lawyer he would have said so. I would imagine his work involves rushing to the post office to get return receipts on late filings and asking his boss if he'd like cream with his coffee. I doubt he understands the concept of cognitive dissonence but it sounds cool to say it. I also doubt he understands the true meaning of having balls. The man he ridiculed personally went to the Charlotte police station to ask why there were 5,000 protesters and no police presence. Maybe Beckman has some tales of daring do he can share. It doesn't take balls to call in sick.

In Response to the last individual:

Yes it is true that I am NOT an attorney, however I may be a clerk but I have been to several rallies that illegal immigrant presence was seen. I have seen the problem first hand and know several illegal immigrants whose families brought them over as infants...that is a difficult matter that needs to be discussed. But I stick with what I said...Rome is burning and I will play my violin. I am working toward my law degree, if that helps the naysayers, and I will be very successful not because of this problem but because I know law and how the political theater works: yes, the squeaky wheel DOES get the grease and it is for that very reason this country will lay down and fall into a pit of socialist despair because Gheen will do NOTHING just like every other American who fails to stand up for the laws of this country.

We are a nation built on laws by LAWFUL IMMIGRANTS a destinction the uneducated illegals fail to connect; however it is somewhat true nonetheless. I am concerned with our lack of organization and our lack of consistency in regards to our laws. The government should have continued its immigration reform until the Alzheimers wonderboy Reagan decided with the IRCA to give amnesty to 1.5 million illegal immigrant farmworkers. This lack of consistency is a big hole in the armor that America calls its laws.

Gheen may have done something that you feel is courageous, however if he were so impassioned about this cause he would have rallied counter protests and wouldn't sit there and tell us about little local "victories" like a denial for illegal immigrants to be able to purchase library cards or some stupid nonsensical thing like that. Gheen should let a more militant individual take hold of the organization...one with fire...power...and a care for the outcome of the United States of America. Si Se Puede Tambien!

Beckman, hold on there!!

Why are you criticizing ALIPAC or Gheen?

Neither Gheen nor anyone else at ALIPAC is keeping anyone from protesting. ALIPAC alerts everyone of the protests.

Gheen spends hours coordinating with others and making sure we are aware of the protests and his site is used to post pictures and reports from the protests.

Please do not make any more references like this. We welcome your involvement, but not to criticize our organization or anyone involved.

There are different points of view of how to achieve victory.

As hard as we all work to achieve it politically, most of us realize that this may not work and if it doesn't, then many of US believe and I'm one of them that Americans will do whatever it takes to save their nation and enforce the Will of American Citizens.

Until then, please direct your anger to John McCain, Traitor Royale. Direct your anger to Arlen Specter, Traitor Royale. Direct your anger to George Bush, Traitor Royale. Please do not let your frustration cause you to direct your anger towards your fellow American Citizens spending time, money and countless hours for months for some and years for others on this issue trying to find a peaceful political solution to this problem.

The illegal alien protests are actually helping our side. Most Americans do not understand the volume of the problem which has caused them to be more silent than they have been for example over the Ports Deal. These demonstrations occurring now are showing America how serious the problem is; the volume of the problem; the attitude of illegals and their aiders, abetters, sponsors and employers.

I fully understand why ALIPAC doesn't have the time or means to organize one. This is not what ALIPAC was formed to do and an easy mistake is trying to be everything for everyone and end up doing nothing well.

Organize a protest and we will let everyone know about it!!

Let me hazzard a guess here....

People tend to write in the same manner in which they speak, our inflections carried over onto the written page betraying more knowledge about us than we are aware.

If you listen to the lilt and chopped delivery of the diatribe found in the words of Beckman's diatribe, I am going to hazzard a guess that he is of Latino decent, perhaps even an illegal himself. Examples that lead me to this belief abound in his writing, such as this classic:

"sweep now through the halls of Congress" or this:
"Well I speak Spanish already"

Then you have the whole conspiratorial air about his post, he has had passed onto him. News is relayed to him. Further, if this is/were a long time member, why the sudden urge to sign onto this site as a BRAND NEW MEMBER? One of the best weapons in today's wars is propaganda and psychological operations designed at discouraging the opposition, and obviously this post was put up to get our member base to question themselves, this organization and website.

Look, I was and am just as dissappointed as the rest of us at how yesterday unfolded, discouraged at the lack of respect the Senate so far has paid our voices...BUT...it was ONE DAY in a long fight. The bill was barely out of committee when Frist was rattling cages and making some threats. The committee represents only 18 voices out of 100 in the Senate, and there was a LOT of discord yesterday, and you could see the various camps getting upset when their attempts to put certain breaks on the bill were trampled on...in short, this is going to get ugly, and the fight is FAR FROM OVER.

Most likely outcome at this point in time...the House and Senate bills are so far apart that in a major election year for the House, they will let the whole affair die and wither on the vine rather pass anything close to the PORK BARREL LATINO GIVE AWAY that the Senate passed.

So Beckman, if you are for real, then stop your whining, roll up your sleeves and get involved in the fight, but if you are only here to creat discord, I hope the William kicks you to the curb sooner than later, because we need SERIOUS ACTIVIST right now, not whiners and complainers intent on creating discord in our ranks.

Pinto Bean

We need to start writing charities...tell them we no longer can donate money to them.

Bush says we are compassionate, and yes we are, but when our OWN government has lost compassion for their own citizens, it's time to turn on them...he thinks we will continue to pay for other's misfortunes while they stab the American worker in the back.

We need to get those boycott letters out.....

Money is where it's at...everyone one wants a piece of us...it's time to stop the flow.