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06-28-2005, 04:50 PM #21
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Re: A few questions to all of the members here from an obser
You bring up so many divergent issues, I will address a few of them, in seperate posts
Originally Posted by roberto
First when you have thousands illegally crossing the border daily, how can you tell who is a threat and who is not? As long as the border is unsecure, we are vulnerable to a terrorist attack.
Then there is the criminal threat. When violent criminals can cross back and forth at will, we are faced with cases like the Denver cop killed by an illegal who simply went back to Mexico to get away with murder.
Then there is the biological threat. There are a number of deseases we had eliminated from our population. Legal immigrants have to pass a medical screening to gain entry. Illegals don't. Illegals bring into the U.S. a number of virulent illnesses like leprosy, Chagas Desease, Drug resistant TB, MRSA, and other nasty stuff. We end up treating them here and then we get stuck with the bill . . .
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06-28-2005, 04:56 PM #22
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Re: A few questions to all of the members here from an obser
You bring up so many divergent issues, I will address a few of them, in seperate posts
Originally Posted by roberto
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06-28-2005, 05:01 PM #23
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Re: A few questions to all of the members here from an obser
Originally Posted by roberto
As far as jobs are concerned, I, personally, am 100% positive that I am a good enough worker at what I do. I am not at all concerned about losing my job to an immigrant or a non-immigrant. Why should we fear that? If you know that you are the best at what you do, you should not worry.
That's wrong at both ends, the laborer for being there, and the employer willing to hire them.
Here is a scenario:
You were born in the USA.
Jose was born in Peru.
Does that make you a better person than Jose?
No. It does not.
Jose has lived the same GOOD life that you have. He went to school. He works hard. He is married and has children. Jose's daughter ends up here in the USA (LEGALLY) She is now a US resident. She is going to get married here in the US. Jose attempts to LEGALLY come to the US to attend his daughters wedding. He gets denied by the Embassy. (Sorry Jose, Try again in 6 months.. Denied again.)
That scenario doesn't have to be a wedding. It could be that Jose's daughter is gravely ill in a hospital in the US and he is only trying to visit his daughter. But he is denied. I'm sure any father could sympathize with that. It is only human that a father would want to attend his daughters wedding or visit his sick family member in the hospital. But he can't. Why? Because he is a bad person? No. Because of where he is born. That is just not right.
Also... How many people want to come here from other countries because there are no jobs in their country? All they want is an opportunity to make an honest living for themselves and their families. (Just as my grandparents did. And probably most of your ancestors as well.) And they are denied that. Is that right? Is that fair? I don't think so. Denying HONEST, GOOD people entrance here. You wouldn't like it if it was your family member. Is it ok to start turning the good people away now... Is it ok now because you and your relatives are already here? Is that why?
Most US Citizens can get up in the morning and go where ever they want to in the world without having to wait on a 6 month long waiting list and to go to an interview only to get denied. We can go where we want, when we want.
"Ok.. I can go to Mexico whenever I want! And they better treat me like a king!" but " God forbid they come here and take OUR jobs away!" Sounds pretty elitist to me.
Americans for DENYING the good people of the world LEGAL Immigration?"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." Ben Franklin
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06-28-2005, 05:02 PM #24
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Re: A few questions to all of the members here from an obser
You bring up so many divergent issues, I will address a few of them, in seperate posts
Originally Posted by roberto
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06-28-2005, 05:03 PM #25
Re: A few questions to all of the members here from an obser
I understand what you are saying. And I agree with you. My point is that there is a bigger picture to this. It goes much higher than just the people who are entering the country illegally. I am not sure what nationality you are, but as I mentioned earlier, all of my grandparents were immigrants. They did not have to enter illegally. I am not saying it is right for someone to enter illegally either. All I am saying is that mostly all of us are descendants of immigrants. They all were accepted here at that time. ( I am assuming this - I know its bad.. ) At some point and time those doors have been closed, well at least made much harder for most... (to enter legally) Basically, my point is this.. Who am I to judge someone else..
Americans probably make up the biggest group of tourists out of any other country in the world. We are quick to jump on a plane and go to another country, but it's another story when it comes to letting them visit here.
To me, that is like saying " Treat me good when I'm in your home, but don't expect the same from me. "
Also,
You are absolutely correct... Illegal Immigration IS just that.. ILLEGAL!!
but there are many, many illegal crimes committed every day in the US. Many of them much worse than illegal immigration. Are you going after those people as well?
Originally Posted by Mr_Magoo
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06-28-2005, 05:05 PM #26
Re: A few questions to all of the members here from an obser
Personally, I believe that unemployment will still exist. Some people just don't want to work. Especailly when they can get a free paycheck. But that's another subject
The government will find something else to tax us on.
Originally Posted by Mr_Magoo
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06-28-2005, 05:11 PM #27
Rarius,
As I mentioned in one of my posts.. I know people personally under those circumstances who have been denied Visas for reasons such as I mentioned. And, It happens a lot more than you realize. That does bother be. - Also, as I mentioned. I do believe in control. But, situations like this need to be addressed as well.
Jose can come into the country on a visitor visa, and only very rarely are those denied. Jose is not yet an illegal immigrant...he is not an immigrant at all. He is just visiting. No one on this board would say Jose shouldn't be allowed into the country under these conditions.
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06-28-2005, 05:15 PM #28
Re: A few questions to all of the members here from an obser
First.. Again.. I DO NOT condone Illegal Immigrants...
but
Most illegal immigrants are also contributing to the social costs. Remember, if they are illegal, most illegals have fake social security numbers. Which means that they are paying into the same things that we are.. And being that it is fake, they arent going to get any of it back. ever.. So, actually, that would benifit us.
Originally Posted by Mr_Magoo
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06-28-2005, 05:26 PM #29
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Re: A few questions to all of the members here from an obser
Originally Posted by roberto
Immigration and Visa issues are 2 different things. Yes, Americans get Visas and travel. The do it LEGALLY. They apply for a Visa, and wait, and jump through all the hoops, and then travel. And then they return HOME!
As a Nation, we also issue Visas to all who apply and pass the restrictions. A background search shows they are not criminals, a medical screen shows they will not contaminate our public at large, etc.
More needs to be done to insure that at the end of a Visa stay, they go home.
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06-28-2005, 05:30 PM #30
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Re: A few questions to all of the members here from an obser
Originally Posted by roberto
Also keep in mind the $20 Billion sent back to MX each year is $20 Billion lost to our economy.
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