Thread: George W. Bush Is America's Worse Enemy!

Originally Posted by AngryTX

On Loud Dobbs, three senators said more than 250-thousand signatures had been turned over asking Boosh to pardon the border agents. The papers will probably be found in a dumpster blocks from the White House.

There were demands for Capone's release as well. This is a nation of laws, not a nation of men.

President Bush did not make the decision to refuse to accept the surrender of an unarmed suspect who had his arms raised and hands open. He did not make the decision for the border agent to first smash the defendant in the face with a gun butt and then fire multiple shots, striking the victim as he fled for his life. From what I have gathered, it was not the testimony of the suspect that convicted them, but rather the testimony of their fellow agents.

If you want to express anger at a drug dealer going free, blame the two agents who cast all accepted procedure and reason aside in an attempt to take justice into their own hands. Instead of solving a problem, their rash actions created numerous new ones, including an inability to prosecute a narcotics trafficker and leaving their own familes in a world of hurt.

I have read the statement from the prosecutor since my last post on this thread, and so until someone presents a compelling case for the agents, I'll have to go with the findings of due process.

I could see the nation of laws argument except that a drug dealer involved in this case failed to get a trial. There choices here and the government made one I'll not accept.

Originally Posted by loservillelabor

I could see the nation of laws argument except that a drug dealer involved in this case failed to get a trial. There choices here and the government made one I'll not accept.

LL, if you read the prosecutor's statement, it makes quite clear that the reason that the trafficker COULD NOT be prosecuted was that the agents made no effort to arrest him and did not even file a report on the guy. Once he turned up, there was literally no usable evidence against him. Had the agents simply arrested him rather than going vigilante, he would be in jail and they would be spending the night with their families. Stupid is stupid, whether it's an illegal alien risking his life crossing into a foreign country with contraband or a law enforcement agent freelancing with deadly force.

SOSAD'S

I, to this day do not believe Bush was elected by the people. he was appointed by corporate America with a little help from little brother. That is why we need to make sure we have a paper trail on all of our voting machines in 2008, or we have no chance at all getting someone like Hunter, or Tancrado, and all will be lost, If we get someone they want to carry out Bushs agenda. I have a feeling it is going to be are last chance to get it right.
Watch out too, because every single person the msm is pushing right now is not good for, THE GOOD OF WE THE PEOPLE. They are what corporate America wants for us or we would'nt be hearing about any of those canidates so freely in the news , remember they only tell us what they want us to hear!! and very little of what we need to hear!!!!

Ya know, SOSAD, sometimes I wonder about that too.

Originally Posted by LegalUSCitizen

SOSAD'S

I, to this day do not believe Bush was elected by the people. he was appointed by corporate America with a little help from little brother. That is why we need to make sure we have a paper trail on all of our voting machines in 2008, or we have no chance at all getting someone like Hunter, or Tancrado, and all will be lost, If we get someone they want to carry out Bushs agenda. I have a feeling it is going to be are last chance to get it right.
Watch out too, because every single person the msm is pushing right now is not good for, THE GOOD OF WE THE PEOPLE. They are what corporate America wants for us or we would'nt be hearing about any of those canidates so freely in the news , remember they only tell us what they want us to hear!! and very little of what we need to hear!!!!

Ya know, SOSAD, sometimes I wonder about that too.

The bigger problem is people only hearing what they want to hear. I may be smarter than the average bear, but if I can remain as well-informed as I am and still work my arse off then anyone can. A big part of learning and separating truth from used bullfeed is a combination of objectivity and a good critical filter. I wish I had the time to do a seminar in every town on the latter, because so much opinion and commentary I read appears to be based on hearsay and the result of the most base forms of rabble-rousing that it provides a contant source of concern that this nation can never return to the free republic that our nation's founders created.

Crocket, I haven't read the complete details either, however I still say that there has been a terrible misjustice which has been served to the border patrol agents, even after reading more of the details. I'm sure that the details are known by the Congressmen who requested that GB review the case.

I'm not going to buy into excuses for GWB. No offense to you, but I've had it with him.

I do not care. To me it is wrong, wrong, wrong and that's how I feel about it.

I'm not giving or accepting any more excuses for this president.

Originally Posted by LegalUSCitizen

Crocket, I haven't read the complete details either, however I still say that there has been a terrible misjustice which has been served to the border patrol agents, even after reading more of the details. I'm sure that the details are known by the Congressmen who requested that GB review the case.

I'm not going to buy into excuses for GWB. No offense to you, but I've had it with him.

I do not care. To me it is wrong, wrong, wrong and that's how I feel about it.

I'm not giving or accepting any more excuses for this president.

So you're making judgments without even knowing the facts of the case? I find that troubling... No, I find that scary.

What about the problems with the trial....where the judge insisted on a verdict or no one could leave the room.

Why couldn't GWB have responded and at least seriously and honestly have looked into it when 250,000 citizens signed a petition asking him to.

I find those two facts even more scarey.

1. http://www.johnandkenshow.com

2. http://ramos-compean.blogspot.com/

Tuesday, December 5, 2006

The Ramos-Compean Affair: What really happened.

By Joe Loya


My name is Joe Loya and I am the father- in- law of Border Patrol agent Ignacio ‘Nacho’ Ramos.


There are plenty of versions of what actually took place when two Border Patrol agents, Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean, tried to chase down a drug smuggler in El Paso. But, unless you were there; unless you were present for the fifteen day trial; unless you paid $6,000.00 to read the 3000 pages of transcripts; unless you spoke with their fellow officers; unless you saw the affidavits from jurors who claimed that they were bullied into going along with the conviction, you cannot appreciate the enormity of this outrage.

Please listen to my story and then, please, do everything you can to persuade President Bush to issue an immediate pardon to these two fine agents.

What really happened? Basically, two Border Patrol agents, attempting to interrupt a cross-border drug smuggling operation, fired their weapons in self-defense at an admitted illegal alien, drug smuggler, Osbaldo Aldrete-Davila. The smuggler managed to escape across the border into Mexico, but he left his vehicle, loaded with more than 700 pounds of marijuana. It was another good bust. (Agent Ramos has taken part in more than 100 drug busts and has never hurt anyone, despite having been assaulted and fired upon many times.)
Davila surfaced again a month later with the help of his life-long friend, Border Patrol agent Rene Sanchez, stationed in Willcox, Arizona. Davila was also assisted by Homeland Security agent Christopher Sanchez in El Paso, who started an investigation into the case. Somehow, they managed to get Debra Kanof, Chief Prosecutor for Major Crimes with the U.S. Attorney’s Office in the Justice Department involved. (How or why someone at this level would want to escalate and aggressively prosecute two outstanding BP agents for administrative policy violations is a whole other story.)

Kanof acted swiftly, handing out immunities to anybody who would testify against Ramos or Compean. She also provided the drug smuggler with free medical attention at William Beaumont Army Hospital in El Paso and free passage back and forth between the U.S. and Mexico, not bad treatment for an illegal alien and known drug smuggler. Kanof alleged that the smuggler was an innocent person who was shot by the agents as he ran away from them, fearing the agents were trying to beat him up.

The details. With Ramos and Compean in hot pursuit of this drug smuggler, Davila was forced to ditch his van loaded with 743 lbs of marijuana. In attempting to escape, Davila assaulted and cut BP agent Jose Alonso Compean and left him on the ground bleeding. While Compean was chasing Davila on foot, Ramos had been trying to outflank Davila to cut off his escape into Mexico.

Hearing gun shots and calls for help from his fellow agent, Ramos raced to the scene and found Compean on the ground bleeding. He saw Davila racing towards the Rio Grande, about to cross into Mexico and escape.

Agent Ramos began to chase after the smuggler who had just assaulted his fellow officer. Then the smuggler turned and pointed something at Ramos that he believed was a gun. The time was approximately 1:15pm. It was broad daylight. Ramos, fearing for his life and believing that Davila had already been shooting at his fellow officer, took a single shot at the smuggler. At this time, nobody knew that the smuggler had been wounded.

The smuggler turned back towards the border and kept running. He disappeared into the tall, thick brush along the river. Later, Davila was spotted running across the dry river bed and jumping into a waiting vehicle with two other suspects. This was witnessed by four Border Patrol agents, documenting that Davila was not some “innocent” illegal alien, but a bona fide drug smuggling operation. The three smugglers took off and the agents walked back to the abandoned van where they discovered the 743 pounds of marijuana.

BP supervisor, Jonathan Richards, who had arrived on the scene, was very angry that the smuggler had gotten away. Richards ordered everyone to report to the station. He also told them to load the 743 lbs of marijuana onto their vehicles and take it to the station.

Richards never went across the canal to investigate the assault or to check on agent Compean. Ramos and another agent, named Yrigoyen later testified they told Richards that Compean had been assaulted. At the station, another agent, Mendez, stated that Compean had cuts on his face and hand. He said this in the presence of Supervisor Richards. This is significant because Richards denied having any knowledge of Compean’s injuries.

The BP supervisor lied on the witness stand, testifying that no one told him Compean had been assaulted, which is his excuse for never notifying the F.B.I. of this fact. The truth is that he offered Compean medical attention and had asked Compean several times if he was OK. The physical evidence was apparent as Compean was cut and covered with dirt. Richard's failure to notify the F.B.I. of the assault is the reason why the case was never investigated.

Because of the supervisor’s actions, none of the agent's filled out firearms discharge reports. This administrative policy violation calls for a five day suspension without pay. After checking again on Compean’s condition and asking him if he wanted to file assault charges, according to testimony, Richards then made a statement saying, “If we call the F.B.I. we are going to be here all night doing paperwork. We will never know who the person was that assaulted you although we've got the van and the marijuana." After than, everyone went back to work.
The Arrest. In a dramatic display of overkill, the two BP agents, Ramos and Compean, were arrested by SWAT teams, armed with automatic weapons, at their homes. They were roughed up by the arresting officers before handcuffing them. And all of this was done in front of their families, including their young children.

They were charged with attempted murder, indicted, placed under house arrest for eight long months; tried and convicted by overzealous, unethical and vicious prosecutors who were certainly not out for justice, but for reasons that, someday, hopefully, will become clear.

During their time in jail, awaiting their trial, Ramos and Compean were offered plea bargains approximately eight times. The last offer came five weeks before trial. That offer was for one year in prison and reimbursement to the government for the $35,000 in medical bills for the treatment of the drug smuggler.

Kanof continued to pile up counts against them until the agents were facing 40 years to life because of the count stacking. They rejected the plea bargain because they knew they were innocent and they had faith in our country’s legal system. Had they been guilty, they would have taken those plea bargain offers in a heart beat.

The trial. The prosecutor, Debra Kanof said that all Davila was trying to do was get back home to Mexico. She said the agents never should have chased him, because they did not know what was in the van. (Doesn’t spotting a van crossing the Mexican border into the U.S., illegally, count as probably cause to warrant interdiction by the BP?)

The supervisor, clearly under pressure from Major Crimes Prosecutor Kanof, testified that he knew nothing of the pursuit, even though he had been on the scene and had been inspecting the van with several other agents.

At the trial, the drug smuggler claimed that Compean fired 5 or 6 shots at him. During the trial, the prosecution upped that number to 16 shots.

The story Davila told the Justice Department was that he was walking across from Mexico (illegally) when Ramos and Compean tried to beat him up. Although under oath, he changed his story many times during the trial. He finally admitted that he was paid $1000.00 to bring the load to an El Paso stash house after he was given immunity from prosecution in exchange for his testimony against the two agents.

Davila claimed that he was shot in the back as he fled back to Mexico. The U.S. Army doctor who removed the bullet fragment from the smuggler's right groin disagreed. Although he was testifying as a government witness, he told the truth and stated, "The smuggler was not shot from behind". "He was in a running position, (bladed position) and pointing back with his left arm and hand when the bullet hit his left side of his left buttock and traveled to his right groin.

The prosecution then suggested that he may have been shot as he was running across and not away from agent Ramos. The doctor disagreed and so he was quickly dismissed by the prosecution.




The Bottom Line. The two agents were sentenced to 11 and 12 years in federal prison, respectively, on charges of assault with a deadly weapon and for violation of the drug smuggler's civil rights. They were charged with 11 and 12 counts, respectively, because every time they rejected Kanof’s offer to plea bargain, she would become furious and dream up more counts against them.


In less than six weeks, two brave, honest and dedicated young agents, who have risked their lives for many years arresting illegal aliens, human smugglers and drug smugglers, will be sent off to prison, while Osbaldo Aldrete-Davila, a known drug dealer goes free.

While my family is suffering emotional trauma and financial disaster, this low-life drug smuggler is laughing at the Border Patrol and planning to sue them for $5 million dollars.

Our family is already in debt more than $100,000 in legal fees. We are right on the edge of financial disaster and, yet, if these agents are not pardoned, we will have to raise the funds necessary to pay for the appeal to get a new, fair trial.


If you wish to make a contribution to help Agent Ignacio Ramos, please make your check payable to Ignacio Ramos and mail it directly to the family at Ignacio Ramos, P.O. BOX 972925, El Paso, TX 79997.


Thank you.

More information on this outrageous miscarriage of justice can be found on the following websites:


FREE Border Patrol agent "Nacho" Ignacio Ramos http://agentramos.blogspot.com/


U.S. Border Control’s Ramos-Compean blog http://ramos-compean.blogspot.com/


Go to U.S. Border Control’s Legislative Action Center to send an email to President Bush demanding he pardon agents Ramos and Compean http://capwiz.com/usbc/home/

Originally Posted by LegalUSCitizen

What about the problems with the trial....where the judge insisted on a verdict or no one could leave the room.

Why couldn't GWB have responded and at least seriously and honestly have looked into it when 250,000 citizens signed a petition asking him to.

I find those two facts even more scarey.

That happens all the time. Blame the jurors, who could have as easily complied with the judge's direction with a verdict of "innocent" as with a verdict of "guilty." As a matter of fact, the jury did acquit on one count.