Thread: George W. Bush Is America's Worse Enemy!

Originally Posted by SherriCorrell

1. http://www.johnandkenshow.com

2. http://ramos-compean.blogspot.com/

Tuesday, December 5, 2006

The Ramos-Compean Affair: What really happened.

By Joe Loya


My name is Joe Loya and I am the father- in- law of Border Patrol agent Ignacio ‘Nacho’ Ramos.


There are plenty of versions of what actually took place when two Border Patrol agents, Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean, tried to chase down a drug smuggler in El Paso. But, unless you were there; unless you were present for the fifteen day trial; unless you paid $6,000.00 to read the 3000 pages of transcripts; unless you spoke with their fellow officers; unless you saw the affidavits from jurors who claimed that they were bullied into going along with the conviction, you cannot appreciate the enormity of this outrage.

Please listen to my story and then, please, do everything you can to persuade President Bush to issue an immediate pardon to these two fine agents.

What really happened? Basically, two Border Patrol agents, attempting to interrupt a cross-border drug smuggling operation, fired their weapons in self-defense at an admitted illegal alien, drug smuggler, Osbaldo Aldrete-Davila. The smuggler managed to escape across the border into Mexico, but he left his vehicle, loaded with more than 700 pounds of marijuana. It was another good bust. (Agent Ramos has taken part in more than 100 drug busts and has never hurt anyone, despite having been assaulted and fired upon many times.)
Davila surfaced again a month later with the help of his life-long friend, Border Patrol agent Rene Sanchez, stationed in Willcox, Arizona. Davila was also assisted by Homeland Security agent Christopher Sanchez in El Paso, who started an investigation into the case. Somehow, they managed to get Debra Kanof, Chief Prosecutor for Major Crimes with the U.S. Attorney’s Office in the Justice Department involved. (How or why someone at this level would want to escalate and aggressively prosecute two outstanding BP agents for administrative policy violations is a whole other story.)

Kanof acted swiftly, handing out immunities to anybody who would testify against Ramos or Compean. She also provided the drug smuggler with free medical attention at William Beaumont Army Hospital in El Paso and free passage back and forth between the U.S. and Mexico, not bad treatment for an illegal alien and known drug smuggler. Kanof alleged that the smuggler was an innocent person who was shot by the agents as he ran away from them, fearing the agents were trying to beat him up.

The details. With Ramos and Compean in hot pursuit of this drug smuggler, Davila was forced to ditch his van loaded with 743 lbs of marijuana. In attempting to escape, Davila assaulted and cut BP agent Jose Alonso Compean and left him on the ground bleeding. While Compean was chasing Davila on foot, Ramos had been trying to outflank Davila to cut off his escape into Mexico.

Hearing gun shots and calls for help from his fellow agent, Ramos raced to the scene and found Compean on the ground bleeding. He saw Davila racing towards the Rio Grande, about to cross into Mexico and escape.

Agent Ramos began to chase after the smuggler who had just assaulted his fellow officer. Then the smuggler turned and pointed something at Ramos that he believed was a gun. The time was approximately 1:15pm. It was broad daylight. Ramos, fearing for his life and believing that Davila had already been shooting at his fellow officer, took a single shot at the smuggler. At this time, nobody knew that the smuggler had been wounded.

The smuggler turned back towards the border and kept running. He disappeared into the tall, thick brush along the river. Later, Davila was spotted running across the dry river bed and jumping into a waiting vehicle with two other suspects. This was witnessed by four Border Patrol agents, documenting that Davila was not some “innocent” illegal alien, but a bona fide drug smuggling operation. The three smugglers took off and the agents walked back to the abandoned van where they discovered the 743 pounds of marijuana.

BP supervisor, Jonathan Richards, who had arrived on the scene, was very angry that the smuggler had gotten away. Richards ordered everyone to report to the station. He also told them to load the 743 lbs of marijuana onto their vehicles and take it to the station.

Richards never went across the canal to investigate the assault or to check on agent Compean. Ramos and another agent, named Yrigoyen later testified they told Richards that Compean had been assaulted. At the station, another agent, Mendez, stated that Compean had cuts on his face and hand. He said this in the presence of Supervisor Richards. This is significant because Richards denied having any knowledge of Compean’s injuries.

The BP supervisor lied on the witness stand, testifying that no one told him Compean had been assaulted, which is his excuse for never notifying the F.B.I. of this fact. The truth is that he offered Compean medical attention and had asked Compean several times if he was OK. The physical evidence was apparent as Compean was cut and covered with dirt. Richard's failure to notify the F.B.I. of the assault is the reason why the case was never investigated.

Because of the supervisor’s actions, none of the agent's filled out firearms discharge reports. This administrative policy violation calls for a five day suspension without pay. After checking again on Compean’s condition and asking him if he wanted to file assault charges, according to testimony, Richards then made a statement saying, “If we call the F.B.I. we are going to be here all night doing paperwork. We will never know who the person was that assaulted you although we've got the van and the marijuana." After than, everyone went back to work.
The Arrest. In a dramatic display of overkill, the two BP agents, Ramos and Compean, were arrested by SWAT teams, armed with automatic weapons, at their homes. They were roughed up by the arresting officers before handcuffing them. And all of this was done in front of their families, including their young children.

They were charged with attempted murder, indicted, placed under house arrest for eight long months; tried and convicted by overzealous, unethical and vicious prosecutors who were certainly not out for justice, but for reasons that, someday, hopefully, will become clear.

During their time in jail, awaiting their trial, Ramos and Compean were offered plea bargains approximately eight times. The last offer came five weeks before trial. That offer was for one year in prison and reimbursement to the government for the $35,000 in medical bills for the treatment of the drug smuggler.

Kanof continued to pile up counts against them until the agents were facing 40 years to life because of the count stacking. They rejected the plea bargain because they knew they were innocent and they had faith in our country’s legal system. Had they been guilty, they would have taken those plea bargain offers in a heart beat.

The trial. The prosecutor, Debra Kanof said that all Davila was trying to do was get back home to Mexico. She said the agents never should have chased him, because they did not know what was in the van. (Doesn’t spotting a van crossing the Mexican border into the U.S., illegally, count as probably cause to warrant interdiction by the BP?)

The supervisor, clearly under pressure from Major Crimes Prosecutor Kanof, testified that he knew nothing of the pursuit, even though he had been on the scene and had been inspecting the van with several other agents.

At the trial, the drug smuggler claimed that Compean fired 5 or 6 shots at him. During the trial, the prosecution upped that number to 16 shots.

The story Davila told the Justice Department was that he was walking across from Mexico (illegally) when Ramos and Compean tried to beat him up. Although under oath, he changed his story many times during the trial. He finally admitted that he was paid $1000.00 to bring the load to an El Paso stash house after he was given immunity from prosecution in exchange for his testimony against the two agents.

Davila claimed that he was shot in the back as he fled back to Mexico. The U.S. Army doctor who removed the bullet fragment from the smuggler's right groin disagreed. Although he was testifying as a government witness, he told the truth and stated, "The smuggler was not shot from behind". "He was in a running position, (bladed position) and pointing back with his left arm and hand when the bullet hit his left side of his left buttock and traveled to his right groin.

The prosecution then suggested that he may have been shot as he was running across and not away from agent Ramos. The doctor disagreed and so he was quickly dismissed by the prosecution.




The Bottom Line. The two agents were sentenced to 11 and 12 years in federal prison, respectively, on charges of assault with a deadly weapon and for violation of the drug smuggler's civil rights. They were charged with 11 and 12 counts, respectively, because every time they rejected Kanof’s offer to plea bargain, she would become furious and dream up more counts against them.


In less than six weeks, two brave, honest and dedicated young agents, who have risked their lives for many years arresting illegal aliens, human smugglers and drug smugglers, will be sent off to prison, while Osbaldo Aldrete-Davila, a known drug dealer goes free.

While my family is suffering emotional trauma and financial disaster, this low-life drug smuggler is laughing at the Border Patrol and planning to sue them for $5 million dollars.

Our family is already in debt more than $100,000 in legal fees. We are right on the edge of financial disaster and, yet, if these agents are not pardoned, we will have to raise the funds necessary to pay for the appeal to get a new, fair trial.


If you wish to make a contribution to help Agent Ignacio Ramos, please make your check payable to Ignacio Ramos and mail it directly to the family at Ignacio Ramos, P.O. BOX 972925, El Paso, TX 79997.


Thank you.

More information on this outrageous miscarriage of justice can be found on the following websites:


FREE Border Patrol agent "Nacho" Ignacio Ramos http://agentramos.blogspot.com/


U.S. Border Control’s Ramos-Compean blog http://ramos-compean.blogspot.com/


Go to U.S. Border Control’s Legislative Action Center to send an email to President Bush demanding he pardon agents Ramos and Compean http://capwiz.com/usbc/home/

Holy Moley! Are you telling me that the agent's father-in-law believes that he's innocent? Stop the presses!

Seriously, after watching people go bat guano over this issue all day, I decided to see what I could find in the way of facts. The established facts, based on the testimony of witness agents and the accused agents themselves appears to add up to a guilty verdict. As a matter of fact, that's exactly what it added up to for an impartial jury (as opposed to the QUITE prejudiced Mr. Loya, who has a personal stake in the outcome).

I understand the tendency to want to defend the men who put their butts on the line to protect our borders, but they are no more exempt from the laws than you or I. The sad truth appears to be that these men had a serious lapse of judgment that has resulted in their ending up in prison and a damned dirty narcotics trafficking illegal alein going free. That sucks, but it's no conspiracy. It's just a couple of agents not using their heads and ignoring their training and having to pay for it.

Crocket'sGhost

Were you getting your facts from the release by the Justice Dept.????

In this case I would not count that as a Reliable Source. Gonzales has

worked for Bush since he was. Gov. of TX

I would like to see an Independent investigation of the arrest and the whole trial of these Border Patrol Agents. There are far too many Questions that have not been answered.

I personally believe it is NAIVE, to put it nicely, that anyone can give this government (EITHER PARTY) the benefit of the doubt IRREGARDLESS of whether the father-in-law is biased or not.

And if we're going to hold a border agent accountable for not dotting "i"s and crossing "t"'s; then why not hold Jorge Bush accountable for not enforcing the immigration laws? Why not hold him accountable for all the other heinous crimes he's committed. Is he no less a tyrant than Saddam Hussein? I think not.

When the civil rights for an ILLEGAL drug smuggler takes precedence over one of our border patrol agents? Come on?

The illegal drug smuggler should win his $5 million lawsuit, if for no other reason, than out government is stupid enough to even allow him to sue in the 1st place. If, we as a nation, are that dumb, we deserve everything we're getting. But woe to the person who tries to be law-abiding... Off to jail you go!

It's fairly well-known that some border agents are involved in drug-smuggling themselves (again more corruption), and JUST MAYBE some of those agents who testified against Ramos and Compean were involved in drug smuggling, either directly or indirectly and which would mean they too "were biased" and self-serving.

Call it speculation if you want, but I think there is more to this than meets the eye, and I for one, DO NOT ACCEPT THE GOVERNMENT VERSION JUST BECAUSE THEY SAY SO.

We ALL know this government LIES while looking at the people straight-faced, how can anyone kid themselves into believing they wouldn't lie about other things?

There certainly is MORE THAN ENOUGH evidence shoved down the throats of American citizens DAILY that proves this government -BOTH PARTIES - care not one iota about this country and both are corrupt, and as they "S & # T runs downhill" if you get my drift.

With the complete ignoring of the MILLIONS of illegals in this country, wide open borders, the formation of the North American Union behind closed doors, the promotion of AMNESTY for MILLIONS of illegals and God only knows what we haven't discovered yet...

I, for one, am more inclined to believe the father-in-law opposed to even ONE politician EVER...

Atleast he cares about his son-in-law; the government in America seems to only care about votes, money and what will screw the legal people the most!

Just my two-cents!

SherriCorrell wrote:

And if we're going to hold a border agent accountable for not dotting "i"s and crossing "t"'s; then why not hold Jorge Bush accountable for not enforcing the immigration laws? Why not hold him accountable for all the other heinous crimes he's committed. Is he no less a tyrant than Saddam Hussein? I think not.

Well said Sherri!

CrocketsGhost wrote

That sucks, but it's no conspiracy. It's just a couple of agents not using their heads and ignoring their training and having to pay for it.

I disagree, this whole thing reeks of conspiracy to demoralize the border agents. This would be consistant with their goals for the NAU, which by the way is not some idea from some internet conspracist, its fact.

Originally Posted by SherriCorrell

I personally believe it is NAIVE, to put it nicely, that anyone can give this government (EITHER PARTY) the benefit of the doubt IRREGARDLESS of whether the father-in-law is biased or not.

And if we're going to hold a border agent accountable for not dotting "i"s and crossing "t"'s; then why not hold Jorge Bush accountable for not enforcing the immigration laws? Why not hold him accountable for all the other heinous crimes he's committed. Is he no less a tyrant than Saddam Hussein? I think not.

When the civil rights for an ILLEGAL drug smuggler takes precedence over one of our border patrol agents? Come on?

The illegal drug smuggler should win his $5 million lawsuit, if for no other reason, than out government is stupid enough to even allow him to sue in the 1st place. If, we as a nation, are that dumb, we deserve everything we're getting. But woe to the person who tries to be law-abiding... Off to jail you go!

It's fairly well-known that some border agents are involved in drug-smuggling themselves (again more corruption), and JUST MAYBE some of those agents who testified against Ramos and Compean were involved in drug smuggling, either directly or indirectly and which would mean they too "were biased" and self-serving.

Call it speculation if you want, but I think there is more to this than meets the eye, and I for one, DO NOT ACCEPT THE GOVERNMENT VERSION JUST BECAUSE THEY SAY SO.

We ALL know this government LIES while looking at the people straight-faced, how can anyone kid themselves into believing they wouldn't lie about other things?

There certainly is MORE THAN ENOUGH evidence shoved down the throats of American citizens DAILY that proves this government -BOTH PARTIES - care not one iota about this country and both are corrupt, and as they "S & # T runs downhill" if you get my drift.

With the complete ignoring of the MILLIONS of illegals in this country, wide open borders, the formation of the North American Union behind closed doors, the promotion of AMNESTY for MILLIONS of illegals and God only knows what we haven't discovered yet...

I, for one, am more inclined to believe the father-in-law opposed to even ONE politician EVER...

Atleast he cares about his son-in-law; the government in America seems to only care about votes, money and what will screw the legal people the most!

Just my two-cents!

There is no such word as "irregardless."

I think that it is ridiculous to consistently DISBELIEVE anything and everything that the government says or does, and that radical individuals who see a conspiracy in EVERYTHING only serve to discredit those who do their due diligence to track REAL problems objectively and rationally. To accept the statement of a relative of the convict when the prosecutor, the fellow agents who testified, and the random and impartial jurors who heard the case all see things differently is the course of action that strains credibility.

What I am saying is that, contrary to your claim, you are not just questioning the trustworthiness of this administration. You are distrusting the border patrol itself in recommending charges. You are distrusting the prosecutor. You are distrusting the judge. Worst of all, you are questioning the integrity of one of our fundamental insitutions (the jury system) and of the random panel of common citizens who were the jury in this trial. You insult those jurors who derved their community and sat there for days deliberating the case while being paid a princely $6/day.

If you genuinely believe that every one of these institutions, right down to your fellow citizens on the jury, is corrupt, then what you are really saying is that America is a corrupt cesspool that is quite beyond saving.

But I'll tell you what is most disturbing: It's that there are people here who so hate the administration that they routinely strain credibility and place the President in a position of direct blame for a prosecution of agents for excessive force in a case that resembles any of hundreds or even thousands of such cases nationwide. Excessive force does in fact happen, and there are in fact numerous successful prosecutions for it each year. But there are people whose agenda to disrupt this Presidency is so extreme that they will attempt to conflate almost ANYTHING into an indictment of the President.

In the interest of full disclosure, I should point out that anyone who has visited my website knows that I am VERY unhappy with this administration for numerous reasons. But REASON is the real issue. Unlike radical rabble-rousers, I understand that NO ONE is the devil (except maybe the devil). Heck, Hitler even had good ideas, like cheap personal transportation available to most citizens and the authobahn system. I have plenty of issues with Bush, but I am reasonable enough to know that there exist no grounds (as yet) for legitimate charges of treason or for successful impeachment. I am sufficiently objective that I understand that not every single policy of this administration is part of some Illuminati master plan (which is not to say that there may not be some Illuminati master plan at work somewhere). See? I have no axe to grind except to try to defend our original freedoms (as opposed to the "civil liberties" that the subjects of this government, as distinct from the true sovereigns of the greater nation, beg and plead for) and to cast off the true tyranny that has darkened this great nation for almost one and a half centuries. That is a much larger battle and it requires levels of dedication and sophistication that the current modus operandi of slinging mud (or whatever) at the administration in order to see what sticks cannot equal. One is a reasonable pursuit with a goal of historical proportion while the other is just a combination of the manipulations of petty partisans and the ragings of unsophisticated malcontents. That's not to say that there may not be legitimate complaints voiced by these people from time time, but the method and the result do little but shame this nation, its people and its institutions.

You bet it will demoralize them. In my opinion, the book was thrown at them and they were made an example of "as a warning" to the others.

From here on out, I guarantee this thought will enter their minds:
"Do I go after the illegal or not? If I do, will I go to jail"

What just happened would make anyone think twice, because they wouldn't want to be the next victim.

Well Crocket, "irregardless" of whether or not I used that word correctly or not IS NOT the point here. I was making a point, not playing word games. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/irregardless

Furthermore, according to The Constitution, I'm still entitled to express my point of view even if you don't share it.

You bet I distrust this government, and I'm not a "radical individual" or a "rabble rouser" since you appear in words to be attempting to imply that.

As a matter of fact, I'm quite sound, and like millions of Americans, I'm VERY fed up. I call it like I see it, and what I see is this government betraying the LEGAL citizens by not enforcing the laws. Call it turning a blind eye or whatever, there seems to be one set of laws for the U.S. citizens and another for the illegals.

The illegals get a pass on practically everything, with city after city being declared "sanctuary cities" and legal Americans better have "all their docs" in order or face the consequences.


To imply that we should not question the leaders and should follow them blindly is how we got into this mess in the first place.

Originally Posted by SherriCorrell

You bet it will demoralize them. In my opinion, the book was thrown at them and they were made an example of "as a warning" to the others.

From here on out, I guarantee this thought will enter their minds:
"Do I go after the illegal or not? If I do, will I go to jail"

What just happened would make anyone think twice, because they wouldn't want to be the next victim.

Yeah, the warning was: As a law enforcement official, you don't bash a suspect in the head and then use him for target practice when he tries to surrender.

I am as solidly against illegal immigration as anyone, and if I had a ranch on the border, I would probably have already faced charges related to defending my property. But these guys are trained law enforcement agents entrusted with the ability to use deadly force WHERE NECESSARY.

Sherry, according to the evidence presented, these agents did not "go after" an illegal alien drug trafficker. Quite to the contrary, they DECLINED TO APPREHEND HIM, deciding to instead beat him with a gun butt when he surrendered and then shooting him when he tried to flee the assault. That is what the agents' own fellow agents said, and even the two agents do not deny that the man tried to surrender. Have you even reviewed the case? Their foolishness is the VERY REASON that the trafficker is now free rather than behind bars.

Have you not read my previous post? I am the one who posted the blogspot with Mr. Loya's letter. My name was one of those 250,000 names on the grassfire.org petition.

We have a corrupt government. And as far as the jurors, I believe that the possibility exists that some were pressured or some were confused about the instructions. It certainly wouldn't be the first time there was bias on the part of a juror. Who knows? Maybe they just wanted to be done with it so they could go home or go back to their regular job that pays more!!!

I don't have all the answers, but I have been following this. I'm not spouting off to be spouting off. This is my opinion, and as I stated originally, it's a sad state when an illegal drug smuggler can continue smuggling drugs, get free medical care at the expense of tax paying U.S. citizens, sue the border patrol for $5 million and laugh all the way to the bank while the President of this country breaks the laws daily and does nothing to secure our borders or enforce our laws.

And I disagree with you that he has not done anything treasonous. Here are the definitions of a few words I think MORE THAN APPLY to Jorge Bush:

TRAITOR: One who betrays one's country, a cause, or a trust; especially one who betrays ones country.

TREASON: Violation of allegiance towards one's country or sovereignty; especially the betrayal of one's country by waging war against it by consciously and purposely acting to aid it's enemies

INVASION: 1. The act of invading, especially the entrance of an "armed force "(MiddleEast Terrorists & Mexican "ILLEGALS") into a territory to conquer. 2. An intrusion or encroachment.