Thread: This guy needs to get a clue!

This guy needs to get a clue! And how much do you want to bet this "avocado grower" benefited from illegal labor? And I resent this guy's reference to the Minutemen as "militants"!

Mexican laborers vital to our economy

By: Robert H. Dunn - Commentary

I wish to address our Mexican immigration problem. I am a retired avocado grower from Fallbrook. I have lived in Cabo San Lucas, Mexico, in the winter months for the last 20 years. I know well the Mexican people and their culture.

Some legal provision must be made for the Mexican worker. As it is now the worker must pay approximately $3,000 to come across the border illegally. Once he is here, he must find work to pay his debt and send money back to his family. If he gets sick or has an accident, he cannot go back to Mexico because of the coyote cost, so he must use our medical facilities. These workers do not want to live here; they only want to work and go home.

These people are constantly harassed by the Minutemen organization and local law at their day labor pickup spots. These militants decide whether these workers are legal or not by the color of their skin. This must be stopped.

We must have migrant workers for our farm industry or all our food will go to import, causing the collapse of our economy. As an avocado grower, I know no one else will pick avocados off a 40-foot ladder and a 15-foot pole. (Few if any others will do the backbreaking heavy work that the migrant laborers do so well.) These workers make an average of $80 a day. When finished work, these people want to go back to Mexico! Let them go back and forth when they are needed.

I have many Mexican friends in Mexico who are hardworking, good people, but for one reason or another they cannot enter the U.S. The cost of a permanent passport can be as much as $5,000. These people would like to bring their families to SeaWorld and Disneyland and shop in our stores for a few days and then return home. It is estimated that these people would add billions of dollars to our economy.

A recent study published by the Public Policy Institute of California concluded that the influx of immigrants during the period 1990-2004 showed that the wages of American workers have risen. (Although the new workers are in tough competition with the more established illegals.) Without nannies, housekeepers and gardeners, we may not be free to conduct business as we do.

Open our borders to our Mexican and Canadian friends. In Europe most of the borders are opened. These people are not terrorists. Spend our money on proper identification of people, not on fences to keep our neighbors out. Enlist the Mexican people to help keep the terrorists out. They can spot them when we cannot.

Much of our Southwest culture is embedded with Mexican culture and history. These are warm, loving people. Give them a break.

-- Robert H. Dunn lives in Fallbrook.

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well this guy is more missed informed then i thought

Some legal provision must be made for the Mexican worker

We need legal provisions for my American workers

These people are constantly harassed by the Minutemen organization

If more then one person is tell you to go home you should probly leave and Go home

We must have migrant workers for our farm industry

Not true we need to have the work done but no group or race has t do it.

I have many Mexican friends in Mexico who are hardworking, good people, but for one reason or another they cannot enter the U.S. The cost of a permanent passport can be as much as $5,000. These people would like to bring their families to SeaWorld and Disneyland and shop in our stores for a few days and then return home. It is estimated that these people would add billions of dollars to our economy.

whats the hold up on this one we dont stop any body from visiting and buying, besides that last time i check you can buy on line.


America is warm blooded, kind harted, and all around good people,
Give us a break

I'd say chances are pretty good that Dunn used illegal aliens on his avocado farm.

He's bragging about $80 per day but for how many hours? I just know the big bosses are also providing benefits for their illegal workers as well.

Greed is the reason the US is being swallowed up by these third-world nations. Greed of employers, greed of workers and greed of government.

Why didn't Dumm just go to Mexico and grow avocados, hire the local people there and save them the trip. As well as him self as he goes there for vacation during the winter...he could just live there and save on travel expenses, time, etc, and have his cheap labor readily available. That would seem easier to me and save us another sob story.

Where are the savings on produce at the grocery store? I see none. Where is the safety in eating it as well?

GET A GRIP PAL.JUST BECAUSE YOU WANT CHEAP LABOR DOES NOT MEAN WE SHOULD PAY FOR IT.YOU LOVE THEM SO MUCH ,GO TO MEXICO AND PAY FOR ALL THEIR MEDICAL,DENTAL,RETIREMENT PLAN,VACATIONS,AND SCRUB THEIR BACKS FOR THEM IF YOU WANT.
BUT KEEP THEM IN MEXICO.
I DONT EAT AVOCADOS AND I MOW MY OWN LAWN.
ADIOS NOW.
THE MAN

Originally Posted by THEMAN

GET A GRIP PAL.JUST BECAUSE YOU WANT CHEAP LABOR DOES NOT MEAN WE SHOULD PAY FOR IT.YOU LOVE THEM SO MUCH ,GO TO MEXICO AND PAY FOR ALL THEIR MEDICAL,DENTAL,RETIREMENT PLAN,VACATIONS,AND SCRUB THEIR BACKS FOR THEM IF YOU WANT.
BUT KEEP THEM IN MEXICO.
I DONT EAT AVOCADOS AND I MOW MY OWN LAWN.
ADIOS NOW.
THE MAN

Right on Can this person make sure they don't drink while their here,drive,rape, murder,etc!! Sounds like he has the fruit coming out of another place LOL

Originally Posted by cvangel

These people are constantly harassed by the Minutemen organization and local law at their day labor pickup spots. These militants decide whether these workers are legal or not by the color of their skin.

If they were being harassed 'constantly', don't they get the message? Perhaps the 'militants' know which ones are illegal because they don't SPEAK ENGLISH!!!

Originally Posted by cvangel

These people would like to bring their families to SeaWorld and Disneyland and shop in our stores for a few days and then return home. It is estimated that these people would add billions of dollars to our economy

I guess this guy is a financial analyst. Whatever. I haven't heard of SeaWorld or Disneyland hurting for visitors. The only 'stores' I think they want to visit are the flea markets where they can get fake documents to stay here and try to blend in.

Originally Posted by cvangel

Open our borders to our Mexican and Canadian friends. In Europe most of the borders are opened. These people are not terrorists. Spend our money on proper identification of people, not on fences to keep our neighbors out. Enlist the Mexican people to help keep the terrorists out. They can spot them when we cannot.

A contradiction to his earlier statement of these people just wanting to shop in our stores for a few days and then returning home. THAT IS THE PROBLEM --- this jack-knife doesn't even see the point!!! The illegals are NOT going home. They are staying here. Besides, he suggests we "enlist the Mexican people to help keep the terrorists out." Excuse me - WHAT??? Illegals don't have any interest in keeping terrorists out of our country. The day our government starts employing illegals at the border to stop terrorists from entering the US is the day I leave!!! Those jobs should go to OUR LEGAL CITIZENS!!!
Put down the crack pipe, cvangel...

Welcome to ALIPAC Stealthy.

I think it is important to point out that your comments are critical of Robert H. Dunn - who wrote this piece and not Cvangel.

Your quoting of Cvangel's post says "Cvvangel wrote" and I wanted to clarify who you were reacting to.

Again, welcome to ALIPAC.

W

Skip wrote on April 16, 2007 6:23 PM:"LET'S DO A POLL : A poll released this week shows most Californians view illegal immigration as a serious probem but still believe that those who have been in the country for "many years" should be legalized. More than 4 out of 5 people who responded to the survey said that programs should be set up so that long-time illegal immigrants can become citizens, if they "have a job, learned English and paid back taxes." http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2007/04 ... _10_07.txt "

Skip It wrote on April 16, 2007 7:31 PM:"Why should someone who has broken all the rules be rewarded? You are way off base! Your willingness to give into criminals is criminal. Let's put some Mexicans using the system and renting their houses with multiple families next to you. Grow up Skip. Your liberalism is part of the problem. Do you want to be Mexico with all its corruption? Defend this invasion. Viva la Raza Skip!"

Skip wrote on April 16, 2007 8:24 PM:"LOL that is the first time I have ever been called a Liberal. Please see my earlier post " Skip wrote on April 15, 2007 8:30 PM ". I was trying to be sarcastic."

Skip wrote on April 15, 2007 8:30 PM:"Don't let anyone fool you ,we have to pay for the Illegal Aliens somehow. The recently released Heritage Foundation Report states that "Overall, households headed by persons without a high school diploma (or low-skill households) received an average of $32,138 per household in direct benefits, means-tested benefits, education, and population-based ser*vices in FY 2004. If expenditures for interest and other financial obligations relating to past government activities are added to the count, expenditures rise to $36,989 per household. If the cost of public goods is added, annual total expenditures on benefits and services come to $43,084 per low-skill household." That is at least 3 to 4 times that the Illegals pay in Taxes (if any at all)."

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http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2007/04 ... _15_07.txt

Originally Posted by ALIPAC

Welcome to ALIPAC Stealthy.

I think it is important to point out that your comments are critical of Robert H. Dunn - who wrote this piece and not Cvangel.

Your quoting of Cvangel's post says "Cvvangel wrote" and I wanted to clarify who you were reacting to.

Again, welcome to ALIPAC.

W

Thank you for your welcome message and your polite way of pointing out my error. I stand corrected. I'd like to take the opportunity to say that I'm fortunate to be part of such a professional, respectable group here!