Thread: Health Care Bill a Travesty..Congressman Rogers of Michigan

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=G44NCvNDLfc

IT WAS TAKEN OFF THE VIDEO
TAPES OF THE FLOOR OF OUR NATIONAL LEGISLATURE

Good video, he nailed it!

Thanks for the link.

Holy Cats! He sure did nail it right! Wow!

I remember years ago before my Dad died (God rest his soul) we had a discussion about socialized medicine.

Ireland (where he emigrated from) had it then. I believe they still do.

He and another family member were at the hospital for some reason (I forget now what it was) and what he told me really stuck with me.

A cancer patient was left waiting in the hallway while a drunk, who fell on the street and struck his head was x-rayed and given stitches.

When the doctor was asked why when the cancer patient, who was in such obvious pain, wasn't treated first, he responded by telling Dad that the cancer patient was terminal. The drunk would sleep it off and wake up again tomorrow to live (read that: work) another day.

This will be the same result here under Nobama's socialized medicine plan.

Scary, isn't it?

Anyone that thinks that Socialized medicine is a good thing should spend some time in Poland. It is commonplace for patients in Poland to be left to die in the corridors of hospitals while waiting for care.

Originally Posted by ELE

Anyone that thinks that Socialized medicine is a good thing should spend some time in Poland. It is commonplace for patients in Poland to be left to die in the corridors of hospitals while waiting for care.

Yeppers. Just what their government is willing to pay for. Nothing more.

It won't be any different here.

I have a friend in Canada who had to wait almost 2 months for abdominal surgery. Gallstones. It almost cost her her job with the amount of time she lost due to being unable to work because of the pain.

Congressman Rogers assessment is 100% correct. This bill is a major assault on freedom itself and is a major violation of our constitution rights and core American values. Like i said this bill isn't about heath care but control, who dies and who lives.

Yonderis wrote this about his father's observation in a hospital in Ireland, attributing it to socialized medicine there:

"A cancer patient was left waiting in the hallway while a drunk, who fell on the street and struck his head was x-rayed and given stitches.

When the doctor was asked why when the cancer patient, who was in such obvious pain, wasn't treated first, he responded by telling Dad that the cancer patient was terminal."

Reply:

I'm afraid that's just a terrible fact of illness and aging. When my Father underwent major exploratory surgery for cancer in Dallas under our system of private medicine (and he was able and required to pay his portion for the surgery and all the other hospital costs), he was not taken directly to Intensive Care after the surgery as expected; instead, my Mother finally found him still lying on a gurney in one of the hospital halls. There she said an orderly (who was Hispanic) fortunately had stayed with him, and was feeding him small portions of chipped ice from a bowl. She personally had to arrange to have him taken into Intensive Care from the hallway in which they had left him.

This certainly does not mean that universal national health care will be any improvement!

Originally Posted by Texas2step

Yonderis wrote this about his father's observation in a hospital in Ireland, attributing it to socialized medicine there:

"A cancer patient was left waiting in the hallway while a drunk, who fell on the street and struck his head was x-rayed and given stitches.

When the doctor was asked why when the cancer patient, who was in such obvious pain, wasn't treated first, he responded by telling Dad that the cancer patient was terminal."

Reply:

I'm afraid that's just a terrible fact of illness and aging. When my Father underwent major exploratory surgery for cancer in Dallas under our system of private medicine (and he was able and required to pay his portion for the surgery and all the other hospital costs), he was not taken directly to Intensive Care after the surgery as expected; instead, my Mother finally found him still lying on a gurney in one of the hospital halls. There she said an orderly (who was Hispanic) fortunately had stayed with him, and was feeding him small portions of chipped ice from a bowl. She personally had to arrange to have him taken into Intensive Care from the hallway in which they had left him.

This certainly does not mean that universal national health care will be any improvement!

Geez, that's outrageously neglectful treatment and completely unacceptable, Texas2step. I'm very sorry your Father was subjected to that. Your Mother, too. I'm sure she was beside herself with worry.

IMO that's nothing short of malpractice.

Thank God for that orderly, Hispanic or not, who stayed with him and helped him with the ice chips, too.

What was their (staff's) reason for leaving him there like that and not taking him directly to post op/ICU?

I'm not sure that the effect of aging and illness was the real problem in the case my Dad was telling me about. Yes, we do get older and suffer from illnesses. If memory serves me right there were several patients waiting to see doctors in the waiting room that were seen before this poor soul, even though he or she (I don't recall now) had been there for a while. Dad said that patient was there prior to their arrival anyway and he was waiting quite a while before being seen. Enter the drunk. Cancer patient waits longer. He or she was still in that hallway when they left after their appointment.

I got the impression that the medical personnel had no intention of wasting time/medications (read that: money) to ease that patient's pain and discomfort solely because of the "terminal" status. I remember part of me thinking at that time that maybe the medical staff was hoping the patient would die so they wouldn't have to be bothered.

I can't help but think that won't be the same scenario in hospital after hospital with this proposed socialized medicine bill here.

And the illegals will be treated before the citizen.

I'll never forget my Dad telling me, when I said many years ago (I was in my 20's then) that I thought socialized medicine might be a good thing. I forget what even brought it up. Maybe something on the news.

His response: "Be careful what you wish for. We had socialized medicine in Ireland. You have it good here." Then, he relayed that story to me.

About 15 years ago, my late father underwent surgery after a fall (off the roof, no less), and although the surgery was performed in the mid-town hospital, there was no room, so they called an ambulance to take him to the suburban hospital. It took us about five hours to figure out what happened.

Originally Posted by vortex

About 15 years ago, my late father underwent surgery after a fall (off the roof, no less), and although the surgery was performed in the mid-town hospital, there was no room, so they called an ambulance to take him to the suburban hospital. It took us about five hours to figure out what happened.

So sorry for the loss of your Father.

Good Lord! Five hours? Why weren't you all notified immediately by hospital staff? I know you all had to be there at the hospital as your Father had just undergone surgery. What was their excuse?

I can only see incidents like what happened to you and Texas2step (and I'm sure others) happening over and over and over again on this socialized medicine bill.