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    Was the Heritage Foundation always like this?

    I may be mistaken, but I thought the Heritage Foundation was pro-American worker at one time. Can anyone tell me if they have been changed? It looks like they have turned into every other anti American "guest worker" rag...

    January 13, 2009
    Real Immigration Reform Needs Real Temporary Worker Program
    by James Jay Carafano, Ph.D.
    Backgrounder #2229

    Temporary worker programs can be a helpful tool for improving the legal means by which a foreigner can come to the United States to work. Previously proposed temporary worker programs have been problematic. Any new temporary worker programs must help, not hinder, immigration reform and borÂ*der security efforts. Temporary worker programs should be designed not as a substitute for amnesty, but to fill important niches in the national workÂ*force, allowing employers the employees they need to help grow the economy and create more jobs for Americans.

    [Why not hire unemployed American workers (who have been thrown out of work by foreign temp workers, by the way), eh, "Heritage"???)]

    In addition, a new temporary worker program can only be successful if there is a clear strategy for impleÂ*mentation. Based on past experience, the right answer is to start with a pilot program that fills the gaps in existing programs and creates incentives for lawful non-immigrant work in the U.S. instead of illegal presence. An effective pilot program should also pioÂ*neer measures to strengthen security and combat illeÂ*gal immigration.

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    This is what I sent to

    If you think we need temporary workers, you need to mingle with the average American workers in our country.

    I thought about saying more, but if they are agenda-driven, they don't care what We the Poeple why bother?
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    Whoa guys. It makes little sense for Heritage to be concerned about adding workers right now for sure. I don't think their position would differ much from the ALIPAC platform which supports legal immigration when the People determine it's needed. They support law and order.

    What do folks know about Heritage?
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    Germany's experience proves that there is no such thing as a "temporary" or "guest" worker. After WWII, Germany imported workers from Turkey, I read, "because no one else would help us." After their working careers were over, "we thought they would go home." Instead they stayed with their families and became a separate culture within Germany. Turks within Germany often refuse to learn German, or to assimilate to their host culture in any way. Their children evidently have and create many problems at school. It seems Germans have become afraid of their former "guest workers" and their children, who have now become permanent residents who insist that their "host" culture now become like them!
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    We already have 22 guest worker programs, what the hell is the heritage foundation talking about? . It looks like somebody got to them.
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    Fixing Border Security and Immigration: A Memo to President-elect ObamaJames Carafano, PhD, Jena Baker McNeill ... detail.asp

    And I will make it a top priority in my first year as President not only because we have an obligation to secure our borders and get control of what comes in and out of our country. And not only because we have to crack down on employers who are abusing undocumented immigrants instead of hiring citizens. But because we have to finally bring undocumented immigrants out of the shadows. Yes, they broke the law. And they should have to pay a fine, and learn English, and go to the back of the line.

    --Barack Obama, speech before League of United Latin American Citizens, July 8, 2008[1]

    President-elect Obama, we applaud your commitment to secure our nation's borders, but securing our borders is simply one step toward protecting America and fixing our broken immigration system. Your statement acknowledges that those who come into our country illegally have broken the law, so you should ensure that immigrants brought "out of the shadows" are not granted amnesty but are instead required to return to their home country with the opportunity to apply for legal entry as lawful visitors, temporary workers, or legal residents at a later date.

    America has been good for immigrants, and immigrants have been good for America, but over the past several decades immigration policy has become confused and unfocused. Our current policies are not working. Illegal immigrants are straining federal and state budgets. Local social services find it hard to meet growing needs. Gaping holes in our southern border aggravate this problem and create numerous other security risks while doing nothing for U.S. employers who are looking for a better solution to our labor shortages.

    Recent attempts to fix the problem died largely because they tried to accomplish too much. There is no silver-bullet remedy for failed immigration policies and broken border security, but several practical steps can help you to achieve the ultimate goal of making America free, safe, and prosperous:

    Secure America's borders. The United States must have a complete border security system--from the point of origin, in transit, at the border, and within the United States--that strengthens all of the activities, assets, and programs necessary to secure America's borders. At the southern border, the point of entry into the United States for millions of illegal immigrants, rich and powerful smuggling cartels illicitly move drugs, people, arms, and money back and forth between the U.S. and Mexico almost at will. They have seized de facto control of broad swaths of land in many areas just across our border with Mexico, and some of the violence caused by their activities has spilled over into our Southwestern states.

    Undertake a thorough examination of border security efforts to determine which ones are working and which are not. By December 31, 2008, approximately 370 miles of border fencing will be under construction or will have been built.[2] While Congress mandated 700 miles of fencing, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) should assess the need for border infrastructure such as fencing according to the priorities and requirements identified by the Border Patrol, not political fiat. This means that additional infrastructure should be built only where it is efficacious.

    The Border Patrol must also clearly define what is needed from SBInet and other border security technologies and tailor contractor requirements accordingly. Federal operations should be coordinated more closely so that they complement the efforts of state and local governments. In particular, community policing along the border and task forces tackling transnational gangs, smuggling, and other organized criminal activities need more DHS support. Finally, your Administration should continue the Merida Initiative and efforts to improve Mexico's capacity to combat organized crime and reduce border violence.[3]

    Do not accept amnesty as the answer. Those who enter, remain in, and work in the United States illegally are in ongoing and extensive violation of our laws. This has a corrosive effect on civil society and undermines confidence in the immigration process and the rule-of-law principles that govern our nation. Forgiving or condoning such violations by granting amnesty will only increase the likelihood of further illegal conduct. Indeed, after legislation granted a general immigration amnesty in 1986, the unlawful population in the United States quadrupled. And bringing illegal immigrants "out of the shadows" sounds like another, much larger general amnesty.

    Failure to enforce immigration laws is deeply unfair to the millions who obey the law and abide by the administrative requirements that must be observed to enter the country legally. You should encourage illegal aliens to leave the country voluntarily. Those illegal aliens who have no other criminal violation and wish to return can register with authorities before exiting and later apply for legal entry as lawful visitors, temporary workers, or legal residents without partiality or prejudice.

    Enforce the law. We need to enforce the immigration and workplace enforcement laws that already exist. In your July 8, 2008, speech in Washington, D.C., you were right to recognize that immigrants who enter our country illegally are breaking the law. Federal, state, and local law enforcement must be allowed to enforce immigration laws in ways that are consistent with their legal authority. In that same month of July 2008, a report by the Center for Immigration Studies found that recent enforcement efforts have succeeded in decreasing the illegal immigration population by 11 percent.[4] Further reforms must allow sharing of Social Security no-match information in a way that will protect privacy rights while allowing the DHS to target employers who intentionally violate the law by hiring illegal workers and giving the government incorrect information.

    Expand Section 287(g) of the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1996. This Section should be expanded to allow the Department of Homeland Security and state and local governments to enter into more assistance compacts.[5] State and local law enforcement officers governed by a Section 287(g) agreement receive full federal authority to enforce immigration law, thereby shifting liability to the federal government and providing the officers with additional immunity when enforcing federal laws.

    You should also ensure that DHS continues to develop and expand other programs under the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) Access initiative to foster additional cooperation with state and local governments as well as the private sector. Finally, you should ensure that the E-Verify program is adequately funded and expanded to the extent practical to provide employers and employees the means to verify worker eligibility more quickly and accurately.

    Authenticate identification. Immigration reform should include full funding and implementation of the Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act of 2004 and the REAL ID Act of 2005. Identification documents should be issued only to persons living lawfully in the United States. To prevent tampering, counterfeiting, or fraud, as well as to enhance privacy protections, these laws should also establish standard security features concerning identification cards.

    Strengthen citizenship and recognize English as our national language. Each nation has the responsibility--and obligation--to determine for itself what legal requirements will be established for immigration, naturalization, and citizenship. Since the United States Constitution and laws passed by Congress have already established these requirements, you should support programs to promote civics and history education among immigrants and encourage English language proficiency in order to foster political integration and strengthen commitment to our common principles. Immigration reform legislation should recognize English as the national languagebecauseclear communication, mutual deliberation, public education, expanding commerce, and common civil principles demand that citizens share one language.[6]

    Work with Mexico and Central America. Your Administration should support economic opportunity and development in Mexico and Central America. The largest number of illegal immigrants and undocumented workers comes from Mexico and Central America, and the lack of available jobs and opportunity for wealth creation throughout Latin America is a major factor in creating the "supply push" of foreign workers into the United States. Relieving this pressure will require domestic economic and governance reforms in these countries that create jobs and spur economic growth. It means avoiding new dislocations that might follow an effort to renegotiate the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA). It means working with Mexico to strengthen competitiveness and productivity on both sides of the border.

    You can jump-start this cooperation by pressing for immediate congressional approval of the Colombia and Panama Free Trade Agreements. The Millennium Challenge Account is another promising tool that could be used to promote more rapid and effective economic development. Innovative thinking should look for ways to assist with the agricultural and commercial development of rural and southern Mexico.

    Reform the current visa programs and services. Employers must have appropriate legal venues to get the workers they need to help the American economy grow and prosper. You should take steps to reform existing visa policies in a manner that appropriately addresses concerns regarding security, sovereignty, citizenship, and economic growth. The current system only makes the broken immigration system worse. These reforms should include both high-skilled and low-skilled temporary visa programs including H-2A, H-2B, and H-1B.

    It is also necessary that any improvements in the current visa systems include oversight measures to ensure that visa holders leave the United States when their visas expire. Finally, greater attention must be paid to increasing the capacity and quality of services provided by the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services agency.

    Pilot a new temporary workers program. A balanced and well-constructed temporary worker program will diminish the incentive for illegal immigration by providing an additional option for legal temporary labor and over time, in combination with other reforms, will reduce the current population of illegal aliens. This program, however, must be temporary, of defined and limited duration, market-oriented, and feasible. This can be achieved by requiring sponsorship, bilateral agreement between the U.S. and home nations of program participants, and limited status adjustment. It should also be available only to lawful immigrants and foreign temporary workers (who enter the country legally with a non-immigrant status through a worker visa) and not to illegal aliens.

    It is imperative that you and your Administration address the many serious problems that plague our border security efforts and threaten to destroy our immigration system. History has demonstrated that the Band-Aid solution of amnesty simply serves to incentivize law breakers.

    Tangible improvements in this area will require a clear, comprehensive, meaningful, and long-term policy concerning immigration, naturalization, and citizenship as well as determined and persistent support from the highest levels of government. Our border must be secured through a systematic approach and better integrated into the broader homeland security enterprise to ensure that America is free, safe, and prosperous for years to come. Contributing Editor James Jay Carafano, Ph.D., is a leading expert in defense affaires, intelligence, military operations and strategy, and homeland security at the Heritage Foundation. Feedback:

    This guy seems pro-enforcement/No Amnesty, but he seems out of touch with tempory worker programs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by loservillelabor
    Whoa guys. It makes little sense for Heritage to be concerned about adding workers right now for sure. I don't think their position would differ much from the ALIPAC platform which supports legal immigration when the People determine it's needed. They support law and order.

    What do folks know about Heritage?
    I tend to agree, although there might be a few sell-outs in its ranks.

    I know a guy who worked for Heritage for a few years, and he is not at all in favor of increasing guestworker programs. In fact, he would fit in very well here

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reciprocity
    We already have 22 guest worker programs, what the hell is the heritage foundation talking about? . It looks like somebody got to them.

    That "somebody" is a famous billionaire who may be getting desperate if his famous operating system starts losing out to Linux (note: Microsoft pays H-1B workers from India way below their stated rate in order to fool Congress (it's easy to do) into thinking that low wage H-1Bs do not compete with American workers): ... 0&tstart=0

    Heritage Foundation lobbies against prevailing wages for guest workers
    Posted: Jan 15, 2009 8:45 AM Reply

    I know the Heritage Foundation is partially funded by Microsoft. And, I believe, is also partially funded by the "bill and melinda gates foundation."

    > No prevailing wages. Temporary worker proÂ*grams should not have prevailing-wage requireÂ*ments, which result in a reduction of labor market flexibility and increases regulatory burdens.

    > Right now, there's a prevaiuling wage provision and
    > you're still against the H1B visa program.

    Yes, the situation is obviously bad enough, and does not need to made any worse.

    In case you didn't know, companies like Microsoft are absolutely notorious for gaming the system. I can give you many examples, if you like.

    There are four skill levels for H-1B, Microsoft hire practically all at the lowest level.

    Since job titles, in IT, are meaningless, it is ridiculously easy get around the "prevailing wage" requirement. If the contributors to the Hertitage Foundation get their way, it will be even easier to hire guest workers below prevailing wage.

    Since you know so much, what do you think is the average salary of the H1B hire for IT positions (developer, senior developer) at Microsoft? You make it look like they pay peanuts to the H1B candidates. And I know that this is not the case.

    Take a look: ... 1b-workers

    > Who cares what they pay, they shouldnt be here
    > stealing our jobs. Domestic labor market forces of
    > supply and demand should set the price for wages
    > Econ 101

    That's a valid argument. However, the point I was making was that Microsoft pays pretty well to H1Bs as well. 117K is a pretty nice average salary for a developer in the Seattle area.

    That article claims that Microsof pays $129,000 for a technical writer, who probably does not speak English as his/her primary language.

    I can not disprove this, but considering that pay rate is well over 2X the typical pay rate for a tech writer *, and considering that Microsoft has proven themselves to be notorious liars over and over, and consider that "" is not exactly a primary source (appears to be a personal blog) - well, let's just say that I can not help but be a little skeptical.

    That said, I can accept that H-1Bs are not especially cheap for Microsoft. But, hiring offshore workers is very cheap, and using H-1B is a big help to Microsoft’s offshoring efforts.

    * According to, the typical pay for a technical writer in Redmond, WA is $27K a year. ... mond%2C+wa

    Where does a TechWrited get paid more than a Program Manager??? This looks all bull.

    > In Leo's imagination . Just like his job!

    I do not have any data about H1B salaries at Microsoft. I just shared a link I found online. If you have better information, please post it so we can take a look.

    Microsoft LCA tabulations.

    I wouldn't sneeze at these salaries, but I'm not the "brightest and best" either.

    The average salary for Microsoft's 2007 LCA H-1B applications = $88,726.82

    For Managers ( 823 LCAs - job code 198 & 189) the avg salary = $99,233.13

    For Technical (3404 LCAs -job codes 30 and 32) the avg. salary = $86,222.73

    Only 16 LCAs in the 30 & 32 Tech jobs codes exceeded 99,999.99

    Senior Account Manager 132000.00
    Service Engineer 112218.00
    Service Engineer 112218.00
    Senior Technology Specialist 110000.00
    Technical Solution Engineer 110000.00
    Premier Field Engineer 108000.00
    Support Escalation Engineer 106791.00
    Support Escalation Engineer 106791.00
    IPTV Deployment Engineer 106500.00
    Escalation Engineer 105354.00
    System Engineer 105000.00
    Premier Field Engineer 103500.00
    TECHNICAL LEAD 103093.00
    Senior Presales Engineer 101609.00
    Senior Systems Engineer 101037.00

    (Just noticed the highest paid Tech position is a mis-classified manager. )

    Microsoft applied for 4407 (4413 total) H-1Bs with yearly salary offers, of those applications 800 (18%), of these job offers were at $100,000.00 or more, 1615 (37%) application were for $80,000.00 or under.

    Wage_Rate_1 Employer's proposed wage rate
    (I excluded 6 non-yearly (hourly weekly) positions of 4413 applications)

    Would LOVE to know where you came up with this one. Most Developers at M$ are on contract and average about $30 $35/hr. They also run into a small issue in that, if they're V-, they can only work a year and then are forced to take 100 days off (w/o pay).

    Heck, they don't even pay market value for a Sr. Project Manager (they call them Program Managers btw. Project Managers there are more like Project Leads but expected to do 80% development and 20% "that project stuff")

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    Don't you all get it yet?!...the government(following the orders of their keepers, corporate America) want these illegals here!....
    the plan is to bring millions and millions of these illiterate workers here who will in turn, work for less than minium wage, making it impossible to get a job for more than $4 an hour...yeah, this goes for you too!...once everyone is working for less than slave wages, the rich will rule with impunity (as if they dont have it now)...we will all be good little worker bees living in poverty with our mexican friends(who brought this on, BTW by coming here illegally)and the rich will be supported by our taxes...D.C. doesn't care if a few thousand American citizens are raped or murdered or whos grandmother or child is molested...they have their agenda and will get it at any cost...they are, after all, the Elitist Rich...
    either get off your assss and go to Washington en masse, or accept that very soon, you will be their slaves from cradle to grave as will be your children and grandchildren....the first part of the New World Order is to destroy America from within...once done, the rest of the world will be forced in line...and I'm NOT an conspiracy nut...I've worked for and have recieved awards from this government...the more greed and deal making I saw, the more I knew I was getting fight now, or you'll wish you had very,very soon...God Bless America

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    Quote Originally Posted by fstede
    ...making it impossible to get a job for more than $4 an hour...yeah, this goes for you too!...once everyone is working for less than slave wages, the rich will rule with impunity (as if they dont have it now).

    A government owned wage monopoly, created by cooperation with the third world. It is just like the age of the Robber Barons who used railroads to own entire towns in the 1800s. And while it may sound like a consipracy theory it all has a distinct plan:

    1. A critical mass of third world laborers will be bought in to permanently settle the US. They will be called 'guest workers' who do the jobs that "Americans won't do". Their plan is to bring in as many as can be shipped in right away, perhaps 10 to 30 million a year over a decade.

    Thanks to the treasonous George Bush we already have started...

    2. When George Bush tried to sell US port security to the United Arab Emirates, it was to allow cargo ships ownership of ports so that massive shipments of third world slave laborers could be sent to the US.

    Saudi Arabia sent African slaves to the US this way before slavery was banned in 1865!

    3. Biometric IDs and 'intelligent monitoring' will be used to extort labor compliance from American citizens. Americans who do not like their low wage "jobs" will be threatened with being fired.

    Companies in India already monitor and fire American fast food workers in the US by using Internet Video to link the US with India and computer software designed to helped track and fire "troublesome" employees.

    4. New jobs will come in 10 hour increments. Americans who get hired will be paid for 10 hours of work a week at minimum wage, but in reality will have to work unpaid schedules of 60 to 80 hours a week in order to keep the job.

    Illegal alien 'under the table' laborers are already treated like this. When American citizens are given the same "rights" as illegal aliens they will be treated this way, too.

    5. Obama squads will be used to invade homes and force Americans to do work (unless they are part of some special favored "victim" class). Americans who resist will be arrested for 'hate crimes' and forced to work as prison laborers.

    This went on for decades in Soviet Russia.

    It is under this system that Slavery, accomplished through brainwashing, will be installed into the US!

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