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    Hill Republicans Revolt Over Trump's Plans to Build Border Wall

    Hill Republicans revolt over Trump's plans to build border wall

    Manu Raju February 3, 2017




    More and more, Republicans are saying they don't want to front money for the border wall



    Trump has pledged that Mexico will pay for the wall, but lawmakers are skeptical



    Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump's plan to build a wall on the border with Mexico is facing a major problem: A wall of resistance from his own party.




    Donald Trump asylum policy could upend US-Mexico relations
    A growing number of congressional Republicans are objecting to the cost and viability of a proposal that was a rallying cry for the billionaire businessman during his insurgent campaign. Interviews with more than a dozen GOP lawmakers across the ideological spectrum suggest Trump could have a difficult time getting funding for his plan approved by Congress.



    Many bluntly told CNN they'd likely vote against any Trump plan that is not fully offset with spending cuts, while others questioned whether Trump's vision would adequately resolve the problems at the border.
    "If you're going to spend that kind of money, you're going to have to show me where you're going to get that money," said Alaska Sen. Lisa Murkowski, a key swing vote who has already broken with Trump over his nominee for secretary of education.



    "I don't see how you can get a bill like that through (Congress) without offsets," she added. "I don't see how that's possible."
    Trump's wall already faces legal hurdles given the likelihood that it could spawn lawsuits at the border. But if Congress doesn't go along with his funding plan, it could effectively stall Trump's proposal right out of the gate. House Speaker Paul Ryan and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said last week that the cost could range from $12 billion-$15 billion, while Ryan suggested that the project may not be fully offset with spending cuts, saying the wall is "a national security priority."



    Sen. John Cornyn, the No. 2 Senate Republican who represents the border state of Texas, was deeply skeptical about whether a wall alone would be enough to deter immigrants from entering the country illegally. And he issued a stark warning to Trump.



    "I have concerns about spending un-offset money, which adds to the debt, period," Cornyn said bluntly when asked about the wall. "I don't think we're just going to be able to solve border security with a physical barrier because people can come under, around it and through it."





    Trump has increasingly said that Congress would fund the wall initially but would later be reimbursed completely by Mexico. But prominent Republicans say flatly that they don't think Mexico will pay the United States back -- and Mexican leadership has repeatedly said the same -- meaning that taxpayers would be left holding the bag.
    "No," Arizona Republican Sen. John McCain said when asked if he thought Mexico would reimburse the United States for the wall. "It's not a viable option."



    McCain added: "If you only build a wall, only a 'wall,' without using technology, individuals, drones, observations, etc., you're not going to secure the border."



    Trump still has time to convince his party to go along, especially if he provides more details on his plans, given Republicans are largely united behind calls for more robust border security. And some GOP senators, like Ron Johnson of Wisconsin, suggest they're open to paying for the wall even if it's not offset by spending cuts.





    Behind the scenes, the Trump administration has tried to shore up support. John Kelly, the new secretary of Homeland Security, began to discuss with lawmakers this week his border security plans, sources said, but senators reported there were few details on the specifications of the wall.



    The Trump administration is working on a supplemental funding package to pay for border and national security, but that work has stalled as the Senate moves slowly to confirm Trump's pick of Rep. Mick Mulvaney as his budget director.



    Still, Trump wants to move quickly on the wall, within the first quarter of this year. And even if he asks for spending cuts to pay the wall, sources on the House and Senate appropriations committees say finding upwards of $15 billion in reductions would be extraordinarily difficult, especially in the middle of the fiscal year.
    After last week's party retreat in Philadelphia, many Republicans also voiced concerns that there isn't enough focus on reducing the debt and deficit -- especially as Trump pushes Congress to green-light new infrastructure projects aside from the wall.



    "I don't want to see any spending, additional spending on anything done that is not paid for," said Sen. Bob Corker, Republican of Tennessee, when asked about the wall. "We have got a huge fiscal problem right now -- $20.355 trillion in debt projected to add $9.7 trillion over the next 10 years. And I'm concerned that when I left the retreat last week there are so many things that people are talking about spending money on and at the same time lowering the amount of revenue. And it's a recipe for disaster."



    Corker added he was concerned about a number of proposals that will add to the debt -- not just the wall.



    A White House spokesperson did not respond to a request for comment, but the administration has been vague on its plans. White House spokesman Sean Spicer suggested last week that the administration was considering imposing a 20% tax on Mexican imports to pay for the wall, but hours later said it was one of a list of ideas after Republican senators pushed back on that proposal.






    In one of his first moves as president, Trump took executive action to order the construction of the wall, with Spicer saying "his goal was to get the project started as quickly as possible" with existing funds and then "move forward and work with Congress on an appropriation schedule." Spicer added that the American taxpayer will be "wholly respected."



    But lawmakers will need more convincing to agree to pay up.
    Sen. James Lankford of Oklahoma is skeptical that Trump will get Mexico to pay for the wall, meaning he thinks Congress needs to find spending cuts to pay for the plan.



    "I don't count on Mexico to pay for our national security," Lankford said. "It's the responsibility of every nation to take care of their own security."



    Sen. Lamar Alexander of Tennessee, a close McConnell ally who sits on the Senate Appropriations Committee, said: "Everything we spend we need to find a way to pay for."



    In the House, Trump could also face a wall of resistance from deficit hawks like Rep. Justin Amash of Michigan.



    "It looks like they're going to blow up our budget," Amash warned.


    http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/03/politi...ans/index.html
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    "Everything we spend we need to find a way to pay for."
    How are you paying for illegal immigration? It costs $132 billion a year, how are you paying for that?

    How are you paying for public education of illegal aliens in our schools?
    How are you paying for free school lunch for illegal aliens in our schools?
    How are you paying for Medicaid for illegal aliens in our country?
    How are you paying for food stamps for illegal aliens in our country?
    How are you paying for low income housing for illegal aliens in our country?
    How are you paying for WIC and TANF for illegal aliens in our country?
    How are you paying for EITC tax credit refunds to illegal aliens in our country?
    How are you paying for all of the above for US citizens on welfare because they lost their jobs to illegal aliens in our country?
    How are you paying for detentions, prosecutions and deportations of illegal aliens in our country?
    How are you paying for law enforcement arresting, prosecuting and imprisoning illegal aliens committing other crimes in our country?

    Why would a group of people who approved a $1 trillion omnibus bill last year be whining about a wall project that costs $10 to $20 billion over a 2 year period to help secure our border? It more than pays for itself because of the money it saves US by keeping illegal aliens out of the country. Plus Trump is going to get US reimbursed by Mexico one way or another, directly or indirectly.
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    At least the wall is something tangible. You can see where the money went. The government wastes much more money, than the cost of the wall. These republicans are looking for excuses, because they probably don't want the wall any ways.
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    McCain: Mexico Paying for Border Wall ‘Not a Viable Option






    Pam Key February 3, 2017




    Friday on CNN’s “At This Hour” Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) said Mexico paying back the United States for a border wall is “not a viable option.”


    Partial transcript as follows:


    MCCAIN: If you only build a wall, only a wall, without using technology individuals and drones, observation, et cetera, you’re not going to secure the border.


    REPORTER: Obviously he’s talking about having Mexico pay for it. Do you think that’s a viable option?


    MCCAIN: No.


    REPORTER: Why do you say that?


    MCCAIN: Because it’s not a viable option.


    REPORTER: Taxpayers could be left with the bill.


    MCCAIN: Taxpayers are paying a lot of money right now, one of the biggest problems we have is the enforcement of existing law.






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    "I don't count on Mexico to pay for our national security," Lankford said. "It's the responsibility of every nation to take care of their own security."
    Oh paleeze, tell that to someone else - they are the INTRUDERS, not us; they let EVERYONE PASS THRU MEXICO TO SNEAKER IN TOO. $28billion last year in remittances from wages earned here - jobs OUR citizens should have! Then the cost of the birthing, healthcare, schooling of anchor babies plus all the incarceration, judicial costs - they certainly do have to pay for that wall, one way or another.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy View Post
    How are you paying for illegal immigration? It costs $132 billion a year, how are you paying for that?

    How are you paying for public education of illegal aliens in our schools?
    How are you paying for free school lunch for illegal aliens in our schools?
    How are you paying for Medicaid for illegal aliens in our country?
    How are you paying for food stamps for illegal aliens in our country?
    How are you paying for low income housing for illegal aliens in our country?
    How are you paying for WIC and TANF for illegal aliens in our country?
    How are you paying for EITC tax credit refunds to illegal aliens in our country?
    How are you paying for all of the above for US citizens on welfare because they lost their jobs to illegal aliens in our country?
    How are you paying for detentions, prosecutions and deportations of illegal aliens in our country?
    How are you paying for law enforcement arresting, prosecuting and imprisoning illegal aliens committing other crimes in our country?

    Why would a group of people who approved a $1 trillion omnibus bill last year be whining about a wall project that costs $10 to $20 billion over a 2 year period to help secure our border? It more than pays for itself because of the money it saves US by keeping illegal aliens out of the country. Plus Trump is going to get US reimbursed by Mexico one way or another, directly or indirectly.


    US citizens are directly affected in their pockets in their own cities they live in. Not just the City, State and Federal Taxes we are forced to pay for the impact of illegals.

    The high cost of Car Insurance due to illegals DUIs, car theft, hit and run...we have to pay the Uninsured Motor high rates. Our Health Insurance costs are high to subsidize the care they do NOT pay for. Our property values go down...our houses lose value. When property values go down...the City collects less property tax...money that goes into City services.

    Property theft and destruction. Graffiti damaging our trains, bridges, buildings, fences. The illegal alien in CA caused $63 million of damages he caused in the Sequoia National Forest. The destruction of our Parks and picnic areas. I have seen their graffiti carvings on the Giant Sequoias in Yosemite, the trash left on the shores of our Waterfalls...it is disgusting. They come up to our State Park here and defecate in the Sand Trap at the Golf Course waiting for the Park to open at 6am. It is unbelievable.

    The stabbings, rape, kidnapping of our people that we are left to pick up the pieces, pay for, and recover from.

    Our streets and freeway are overcrowded with illegals driving on our roads, more garbage services, water, sewer, the list is long. Our kids suffer with the overcrowded classes and the problems between the different cultures. They do not assimilate and do not respect our beautiful lands.

    They need to be all deported. What a relief to our communities to have this nightmare over!
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