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    Hiring Illegal Aliens

    I. Overview of Topic

    Not long ago National Public Radio reported a story headlined "Border Fence Firm Snared for Hiring Illegal Workers." It seems a fence-building company in Southern California had hired illegal aliens to help build the fence the feds planned to use to keep illegal aliens out of the country. The company was fined nearly $5 million and two of its executives were sent to jail.

    This case epitomizes the current illegal aliens muddle in the United States. On the one hand, there's a strong movement afoot to stop all illegal immigration. On the other hand, there's no doubt that the U.S. economy badly needs the very immigrants it's trying to keep out - so badly, apparently, we even need their help building the border fence! This is a knotty problem, that, so far, the U.S. Congress has not been able or willing to unravel. And given the failure of immigration reform in `07, nobody really expects a new reform bill until after the '08 elections.

    Meanwhile the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) is stepping up its enforcement of the old, flawed 1986 Immigration and Reform Control Act, which basically puts the responsibility on employers to police the border by refusing to hire illegal aliens. Until recently even ICE didn't seem to take this too seriously, and in the unusual case where an employer was found guilty of knowingly hiring illegals, a slap on the wrist was administered and the matter forgotten. That's all changed under strident Department of Homeland Security director, Michael Chertoff. Some apparently upstanding people are now paying hefty fines and are even being sent to jail for hiring illegal immigrants.

    Take the case of Nagappan Mylappan Chettiar, a legal immigrant from India who arrived in New York in 1986 in his 20's, virtually penniless. By his 40's he had several restaurants in Arizona and was a millionaire. However Chettiar was recently convicted of knowingly employing illegal Mexican workers. The judge admitted his accomplishments but fined him $250,000, sentenced him to two years of supervised parole, and required him to give up his permanent residency in the U.S. and return to India. Sound stiff? The U.S. Attorney's office appealed the sentencing, on the grounds that it was too lenient, calling for a sentence of one year in prison. (The case is still under appeal). This is just one of hundreds of such cases in recent months.

    Thus the times have changed radically, and it is now very risky and unwise for any business, large or small, to knowingly employ illegals. In fact, in today's atmosphere, owners and executives can find themselves in hot water even for unknowingly hiring illegals, that is, for failing to exercise what the government considers reasonable diligence in screening out illegal immigrants in the hiring process. It gets worse. Your company can even find itself in legal jeopardy if you hire contractors or temporary workers who are undocumented. You are prohibited from using employment agencies or contractors that you know or "should know" employ illegal immigrants. The "should know" is what the government refers to as "constructive knowledge."

    Therefore, say lawyers, if your company utilizes employment agencies or contract employees, it's important to have standards or policies in place which you let the contractors know they must meet. And only contract with them if they do meet those standards.

    You should also be aware that some states now have immigrant hiring laws of their own which are even more stringent than federal law, especially Georgia, Colorado and Arizona. Your employment lawyer is your best guide there.

    How To Avoid Hiring Unauthorized Immigrant Workers

    Every new employee has to complete an I-9 Form documenting his/her authorization to work in the U.S., even if the employee was born here and is a U.S. citizen. Companies face fines up to $1,100 per form for violations, plus possible civil and criminal penalties. As is well-known, the Department of Homeland Security has greatly increased its work site auditing in recent months. These audits typically begin with an inspection of an employer's I-9 Forms.

    The I-9 process should start the day an employee begins work. The employee completes the first section of the I-9 and provides supporting documents (passport, permanent residency card, driver's license + social security card, etc.) on the day of hire. The documents must "appear reasonably genuine." If the required documents are not presented, the employee must be suspended and removed from the payroll (though not necessarily terminated) until correct documentation is provided. Employment lawyers caution, however, that employers shouldn't normally request documentation before making an offer of employment. Reason -- possible discrimination claims.

    Employers should keep I-9 Forms for all current employees, and for at least one year after termination for terminated employees. It is not necessary to retain copies of supporting identity documents and in fact some lawyers recommend against doing so.

    You should also be aware of "re-verification requirements." If an employee is not a U.S. citizen or lawful permanent resident, they are probably working based on a status with a defined end date, in which case the employer must note the expiration of their documents on the I-9 and then must pull their I-9 Form before the expiration date and re-verify that the worker's status has been extended.

    Avoiding I-9 violations is extremely important these days, given the severe penalties being imposed. According to many employment lawyers, one of the best preventive measures is to conduct an internal audit of your company's I-9 files to see if there are violations. In addition, you should set up a re-verification tickler system to ensure I-9s are checked in a timely manner.

    "No Match Letters" and Safe Harbor Procedures

    The death of comprehensive immigration reform spurred the Department of Homeland Security and the SSA to instigate a new enforcement strategy - sending out controversial "no match" letters to employers, notifying them that certain of their workers have Social Security numbers that do not match the appropriate names. SSA is said to be planning to send out almost 150,000 of these letters, pending resolution of a dispute over their legality. Employers who receive no-match letters may understandably feel they are suspected of having intentionally hired illegal aliens. But they can avoid any presumption of guilt by following what U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) terms as "safe-harbor" procedures. The safe harbor procedures, in a nutshell, are these:

    Within 14 days after receiving the no-match letter, check company records to determine whether there's been a typographical or clerical error in submitting the employee's name and SSN to the Social Security Administration and inform SSA if such an error is found.
    If step 1 did not resolve the discrepancy request that the employee review his social security card and confirm that he/she provided the correct name and number. If the correct name/number was provided, advise the employee to contact SSA to resolve the discrepancy. If SSA finds an error that can be corrected, the employee should obtain confirmation of this from the SSA, and then the employer should verify with SSA that the correction has been made.
    If the discrepancy is not resolved within 60 days of receipt of the no-match letter, the employer is required to repeat the I-9 verification process but this time the employee can not use any documents that were the subject of the no-match letter. In addition, any document used to establish identity at this point must contain a photo of the employee. If employment authorization cannot be verified, the employer must terminate the employee.

    Problems with the System

    There are a lot of problems with the system described above. ICE plans to hold employers responsible if they accept fake identity documents unless such documents "appear reasonably genuine." But drivers licenses and SSN cards are ridiculously easy to fake and forgeries can be obtained cheaply over the Internet and elsewhere. What's more, the law prohibits an employer from refusing a document that "appears" genuine on its face.

    Employers can call the SSN or use the Internet site (listed below) to verify that the SSN card submitted by the prospective worker belongs to the person whose name is on it - however that doesn't mean that that SSN card belongs to the worker who is presenting it. It just means that it belongs to that name. And verifying a drivers license can be just as difficult since many states won't divulge personal information for fear of violating privacy laws.

    In an effort to comply with the law many employers have signed up for USCIC's Basic Pilot Program (also known as E-Verify). This voluntary program was designed to test ways for employers to verify that employees hire workers authorized to work in the U.S. However, some experts complain that USCIC now routinely conducts audits of employers who have enrolled - so if you enroll, you're likely to be audited for I-9 compliance, and if mistakes are found, you'll be fined or even criminally-charged. So why, they ask, would you sign up for such a program?

    Given the ambiguous and risky situation employers face, what should be done? According to Charles Kuck, national vice president of the American Immigration Lawyers Association, all employers who hire immigrant workers should conduct their own internal I-9 audit. "Go through every I-9 you have for your company and make sure you filled it out correctly," says Kuck. "You have a right under the statute to go back and correct erroneously completed I-9s at a later date, as long as you initial and date any corrections you made. We recommend you do those corrections in a different color pen." He adds, "This self-audit goes a long way toward eliminating any fines or legal action against the employer."

    That's it - our ten minutes are up! (OK, maybe twelve or thirteen if you're a slow reader.) Below is a listing of Web resources to help you continue your research on hiring illegal aliens.

    II. Resources Section

    I-9 legal requirements are clearly explained here.

    Compliance tips and self-audit instructions can be found at Agora Business Center

    You can verify social security numbers at ssa.gov or by calling 1-800-772-6270 from 7 a.m. To 7 p.m. EST.

    Note: Please consult your own employment lawyer for expert advice on this topic. This guide has been presented only for general informational purposes and is not meant to give legal advice.

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    there's no doubt that the U.S. economy badly needs the very immigrants it's trying to keep out - so badly, apparently, we even need their help building the border fence!
    Completely wrong, you idiot!
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    Meanwhile the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) is stepping up its enforcement of the old, flawed 1986 Immigration and Reform Control Act, which basically puts the responsibility on employers to police the border by refusing to hire illegal aliens.
    Wrong again, you jackass!

    I can't read any further. If another ALIPAC'er wants to take it from here, you have more patience than I do for a libidiot anarchist.
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    Illegal alien and advocates do not know how resilient the American people are. If they all left, we would survive. They can easily be replaces. After the raids, McDonald opened the next day with a new crew. Evey place that has been raided has replaced the illegal workers.

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    We would not "survive", we would thrive.

    We could spend our time on other issues, that are more important.

    I think we see that our entire political system is screwed up.

    Our children would not be held back while others are playing catch up to learn basic English. They could instead be learning foreign languages, math, and science at their own rates, which is what they need to do to catch up with the rest of the world. Our kids are already behind.

    The hospital and healthcare issue could sure use a break from 40 million plus nonpaying freeloaders. And we would save some Prison System Money, by deporting them back to Mexico, etc.

    We need to change our policy on Immigration, to bring in the Immigrants of Our choice, the best and the brightest, that truly want to be a part of America. This is what other countries do, and now I think we can see why they are so selective.

    Immigration Policies and laws of 200 years ago, do not work for America today. We are just too different a country, with too many problems, to take on the rejects of other countries.
    I'm "Dot" and I am LEGAL!

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