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    I believe Judge Roy Moore

    I believe Judge Roy Moore

    By Brandon Moseley
    By Brandon Moseley
    Alabama Political Reporter

    I prefer the grind of every day reporting to sharing my opinions with the readers. I let Bill, Josh and Joey focus on the opinion writing, which they do so well. This time I will make an exception. We are now in the start of the third day of a carefully orchestrated character assassination of the Republican nominee for the U.S. Senate, Judge Roy Moore.
    If we are to believe his accusers, Roy Moore dated a number of 16, 17 and 18-year-old young ladies in the late 1970s. As I read the current law, it is perfectly legal to have consensual sexual contact with a 16-year-old in Alabama. That is not considered abuse or a crime. It is still legal, and likely was in 1979, and most of the accusers say that their dates with Moore never got much more exciting than some kissing and Moore playing his guitar. One of the ladies, who was 18 at the time, says that Moore served her alcohol. Alabama did not raise the drinking age to 21 until 1984.

    The most troubling allegation is that Roy Moore went out with a 14 year old, took the willing young lady to his trailer where he removed her shirt and her pants and then there was some touching of private parts through the underwear. When she got uncomfortable with it, she shut it down, and that was that. It is illegal to have sexual contact with 14 year olds. I am not a lawyer and have never seen what the Alabama statute read during the Jimmy Carter administration. But according to my lay reading of current Alabama law – which admittedly was written 27 years after this alleged incident, that act today would likely be sexual abuse, a Class A misdemeanor. One attorney has already told me that he does not think we even had a sexual abuse statute on the books in 1979. This is a 38-year-old cold case of an incident that may or may not have happened. This is never going to see any court.

    That being said, how can any of us really know what might have happened in a trailer in Etowah County in 1979? Those of us who want to believe the best in Roy Moore believe his account and think the WaPo story is false.

    Those of us who want to believe the worst about Roy Moore will believe the worst about Roy Moore and are inclined to believe his accuser. If we are all intellectually honest, we don’t have any video, DNA evidence, eyewitness accounts — other than Moore and the accuser, the testimony is 38 years old, so facts blur.

    Roy Moore is innocent until he is proven guilty, and I don’t see this case ever being brought to trial. We just have to accept that we are never really going to know with any certainty what happened on that day in 1979, or if the two even met that day.

    We now have had three days of histrionics about this in the mainstream media. Every talking head on cable news has an opinion on this, even though most of them have never stepped foot in Alabama, have never met any of us, including Judge Moore or his accusers, and will move on from this story when it plays out, or they find something more titillating for them to chatter about in front of the cameras.

    Again, I — unlike any of them — have actually met Judge Moore and have known him, either through my journalistic work or through Republican politics for almost 20 years. Judge Moore believes what he says he believes, and I trust him on this.

    The once respected Washington Post has changed ownership and has become the leftist version of the right’s Breitbart News, an increasingly low-brow publication that aligns itself with progressive causes and the Democratic Party. In this story, they have hit a dangerous new low for political journalism. If you like their reporting, send them a check so they will let you through their paywall.

    Going 38 years back into the past to talk to the former girlfriends or boyfriends of a political candidate — or people who claim to be former love interests of candidates — is incredibly sleazy, and it is disgusting that the editors at the Post thought this was somehow a newsworthy endeavor for them to pursue.

    I like Roy Moore, and I am certainly not going to vote for Roy Moore’s opponent, Clinton-era U.S. Attorney Doug Jones (D). I have nothing personal against Jones. I just think his positions and ideas are far too liberal for Alabama to seriously consider for even one moment.

    Even though I would like to see Moore win and Jones lose, I will swear to all the readers right here and now, that I, as a journalist, will never stoop to interviewing any of Jones’ former girlfriends from before his marriage. I don’t know whom Doug took to the prom. I don’t want to know where they went after the prom, and I don’t want to know what age his date was or if he tried to initiate sexual contact or not, and who touched who where and what clothes were removed and by whom.

    With the exception of those of you who are test tube babies, all of us are here because our moms, at least once in their lives, let our dads do what dads wanted to do all along. I hope that was not an upsetting revelation to anyone.

    Roy Moore never claimed that he was God, and neither did he ever claim that he is without sin. I never thought that the kinds of things that happen in human mating rituals was news and never thought that the candidates’ premarital love lives were the sort of thing that we as investigative journalists should really devote our time and talents toward exposing in such detail.

    I know there is a market for voyeuristic celebrity gossip out there. I let TMZ and People Magazine cater to that market, and apparently, the Post wants to colonize that space now, as well.

    I know that I am getting old, and my ways are not as ‘hip’ as some people’s in this business, but at its core, this business is supposed to be about news. We report about real people, real issues, real policies in the now.

    The sexual adventures of Roy Moore after he got home from fighting for us in Vietnam is not a topic I ever thought would be a headline here or anywhere else. Thank you, Washington Post, for becoming a more sleazy version of the National Enquirer. What’s next? Ranking all the former love interests of Presidents Bill Clinton and Donald Trump?

    I would not want my byline associated with this kind of gossip-level reporting in any way. None of this is relevant to my life, and none of it is relevant to anybody’s lives here and now in the state of Alabama.

    We have real problems. We have real issues. There are things I want to see done by the federal government in the next four years. What do you believe we should be doing on health care, on taxes, on immigration, on the border wall, on reforming Washington D.C., on protecting religious liberties, on guns?

    I will be voting for Roy Moore because he is the candidate most likely to pass tax reform, vote to cut down on out-of-control immigration policies, confirm conservative judges. Why would anyone change their vote based on these accusations? You either agree with Roy Moore’s views on the issues, or you agree with Doug Jones’ views. This sensationalized journalism I don’t think has any place in a rational person’s decision-making process.

    You vote for the person with the agenda closest to your own. For me, that is Roy Moore.

    Moore is the candidate who will vote to confirm conservative selections to the Supreme Court; steadfastly defend our Second Amendment rights; vote for Republican budgets that make America great again by increasing defense spending; keeping Alabamians employed in defense sector jobs; fight for religious liberty; and oppose abortion.

    Doug Jones posted pictures of himself partying with Planned Parenthood. Jones will not fight to protect the lives of millions of pre-born Americans; support President Donald J. Trump’s agenda; vote to repeal Obamacare; fight to repeal Obama administration era regulations that shut down American coal jobs and sent our jobs overseas; fight to decrease the regulatory state; or advance conservatism. Moore is the conservative candidate. Moore is the pro-life candidate.

    A vote for Jones puts Chuck Schumer, Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders one vote closer to control of the U.S. Senate, and the current Republican majority is just two seats.

    Whatever you believed happened 38 years ago, that should not sway Alabamians from voting for the candidate who most closely shares our conservative Alabama values, and that is Roy Moore. Don’t be swayed by emotion or the mainstream media. They do not share any of our Alabama values and do not care about us or our beliefs. They have made that abundantly clear over the years.

    It is time for Republicans and conservatives to vote with our brains and not be swayed by media hysteria and the politics of personal destruction.

    http://www.alreporter.com/2017/11/11...dge-roy-moore/
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    Interesting. From the Gateway Pundit.

    IT’S A FAKE! Analyst Says Judge Roy Moore Signature Inside Gloria Allred Accuser’s Yearbook Was FORGED

    by Joshua Caplan

    Known for his insightful take on politics, journalist and author Thomas Wictor believes Judge Roy Moore’s signature in Gloria Allred accuser Beverly Young Nelson’s yearbook is a forgery.



    The sevens in 1977 to the right of “Christmas,” are very different from the sevens in the date (12-22-77) above “Old Hickory House.”

    Look at the two versions of the number “7,” tweeted Wictor.

    “”12-22-77” and “Olde Hickory House” were written by a different person,” he added.

    Next, Wictor points out “the “R” and “y” in “Roy,”” are not written the same way.

    The inflection of the “Y” is more pronounced in Moore’ signature as Chief Justice. The “R” is noticeably longer in the signature of Chief Justice, as well.

    Photo credits: Thomas Wictor


    13 Nov
    Thomas Wictor @ThomasWictor

    Replying to @ThomasWictor
    (39) If you oppose Roy Moore, you make a BETTER ARGUMENT.

    You don't lie about him.

    That's fascism. We need to be better than that...


    Thomas Wictor @ThomasWictor


    (40) ADDENDUM: Unless Moore's handwriting has changed, the yearbook signature is a forgery.

    Look at the "R" and "y" in "Roy."

    Also, "12-22-77" and "Olde Hickory House" were written by a different person.

    Look at the two versions of the number "7." pic.twitter.com/dn4z1dMiUe
    8:00 PM - Nov 13, 2017


    Here’s another side by side of Moore’s signatures…

    The one on the right looks a lot more like his Chief Justice signature.
    https://twitter.com/hale4jesus/status/930219506852511744

    In addition, Wictor points out the restaurant where Nelson alleges the incident took place was “forged,” incorrectly.

    “”Old Hickory House” in Gadsden was never called “Olde Hickory House.” The person who forged the signature got the name wrong,” claims Wictor.

    13 Nov
    Thomas Wictor @ThomasWictor

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    (40) ADDENDUM: Unless Moore's handwriting has changed, the yearbook signature is a forgery.

    Look at the "R" and "y" in "Roy."

    Also, "12-22-77" and "Olde Hickory House" were written by a different person.

    Look at the two versions of the number "7." pic.twitter.com/dn4z1dMiUe


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    (41) "Old Hickory House" in Gadsden was never called "Olde Hickory House."

    The person who forged the signature got the name wrong. pic.twitter.com/1Op8ZpvWKl
    8:03 PM - Nov 13, 2017





    The “forged,” signature also ends with “D.A.”

    There’s one problem…

    Moore was a Deputy District Attorney (DDA) at this time.

    13 Nov
    The Activist Mommy @activistmommy1

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    No he wasn’t. Accusers are getting their facts messed up. Hmm...isn’t that interesting that more than one of them made the same error in his work history? It’s almost like they are all corroborating...oh wait!




    “During his legal career, Judge Moore became the first full-time Deputy District Attorney in Etowah County, Alabama, and served in this position from 1977 until 1982. In 1984, Judge Moore undertook private practice of law in Gadsden, Alabama,” states Moore’s bio on his campaign website.

    “The accuser to this day calls him the District Attorney. He was NEVER District attorney. He was DEPUTY DA. DDA,” says Wictor.


    Thomas Wictor @ThomasWictor


    I SAW THAT TOO.

    The accuser to this day calls him the District Attorney.

    He was NEVER District attorney. He was DEPUTY DA.

    DDA. https://twitter.com/Freedom_Heiter/status/930270116926951424 …
    9:25 PM - Nov 13, 2017


    When pressed on whether he truly believes the signature is a forgery, Wictor replied, “In my opinion, the signature is forged. The “Olde Hickory House” and date were DEFINITELY written by someone else. No question whatsoever.”


    Thomas Wictor @ThomasWictor


    In my opinion, the signature is forged.

    The "Olde Hickory House" and date were DEFINITELY written by someone else.

    No question whatsoever. https://twitter.com/ComeSailAway85/status/930270236573609986 …
    9:22 PM - Nov 13, 2017


    Then there’s this– Who signs a yearbook in December?

    13 Nov
    Thomas Wictor @ThomasWictor

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    (50) His issue with teenage girls--that "everybody knew about"--never come up ONCE in forty years.

    I don't believe the accusations. Sorry.


    Thomas Wictor @ThomasWictor


    (51) ADDENDUM THREE: @yomama12365 makes a great point:

    Yearbooks are published at the end of the school year: summer.

    Christmas is the MIDDLE of the school year. pic.twitter.com/T6sFCA0CjK
    9:46 PM - Nov 13, 2017




    Nelson, 56, held a press conference in New York with embattled attorney Gloria Allred on Monday, alleging Judge Roy Moore sexually harassed her when she was 16 years old.



    On Monday evening, Judge Moore vehemently denied Nelson’s accusations.

    Here’s what he told the press:

    MOORE: “Thank ya’ll for being here tonight. Thank-you to all the people have came out at this late hour and for being here. I want to address what’s been brought out on television today by Gloria Allred and a client she has about things I allegedly did. I want to make it perfectly clear, the people of Alabama know me, they know my character, they know what I’ve stood for in the political world for over 40-years. I can tell you without hesitation, this is absolutely false. I never did what she said I did. I don’t even know the woman. I don’t know anything about her. I don’t even know where the restaurant is or was. If you look at this situation you’ll see because I’m eleven or ten points or eleven points ahead, this race being just 28 days off, that this is a political maneuver and has nothing to do with reality. It’s all about politics.”





    CBS News
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    "I can tell you without hesitation, this is absolutely false. I never did what she said I did. I don't even know the woman," said Alabama GOP Senate nominee Roy Moore, who was responding to Beverly Young Nelson's allegations of sexual assault.
    6:13 PM - Nov 13, 2017

    Judge Roy Moore is under siege from the mainstream media and political class after the Washington Post published sexual advancement allegations against the Alabama GOP Senate candidate.

    On Thursday the far left Washington Post accused Judge Moore of dating a 14 year-old girl in 1979.

    Judge Moore has denied the charges and says he’s going to reveal the motivations behind the WaPo hit piece in the next few days.

    Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell told reporters today that Moore should drop out of the race.

    When asked if he believes the allegations, McConnell replied, “I believe the women, yes.”

    Moore responded to McConnell on Twitter, saying “The person who should step aside is @SenateMajLdr Mitch McConnell. He has failed conservatives and must be replaced. #DrainTheSwamp”



    Judge Roy Moore @MooreSenate


    The person who should step aside is @SenateMajLdr Mitch McConnell. He has failed conservatives and must be replaced. #DrainTheSwamp
    11:40 AM - Nov 13, 2017

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017...arbook-forged/
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    So obvious what is going on in this situation. The Swamp is alive.
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    Sean Hannity is getting backlash from his 24 hour ultimatum and scolding to Roy Moore on his show yesterday. Today he is saying Alabama voters should decide.

    Whatever happens it is a dirty road to election. Lots of stones being thrown and a man's name is being sullied.

    ****************

    Mr. Moore's attorney is getting ready to speak now. He is saying they are checking all things out.

    Bill Armistead(s.p.?) and someone else are speaking.

    I have known Judge Moore 24 years.

    I was campaign manager years ago.

    He asked me to be his attorney. I have been with him in over 100 meetings.

    I have never seen him act inappropriate toward women.

    We want to make you aware of things.

    In 1999 Mrs. Nelson filed for divorce. Judge Moore signed an order in that case.

    We are having handwriting analysis being done. A letter is being sent to Gloria Alred to release the original to a third party for analysis. Look at the handwriting differences. Look at the D.A. Following his name in that yearbook. Judge Moore never did that, however on the divorce papers of Mrs. Nelson, Judge Moore's assistant signed their initials, D.A.

    Now passing out divorce papers with Judge Moore's signature and his assistant's initials, D.A.

    ***********************

    The End
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    WATCH: Roy Moore's Attorney Holds PRESS CONFERENCE to Discuss Allegations

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    Thomas Wictor Retweeted







    Martin Dunn

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    Replying to @dunn_martin and @ThomasWictor

    Guy Monzeglio to Fox News: "Just like the "TH" doomed Dan Rather, "DA" will doom the anti Roy Moore forces. They copied his signature on Nelsons divorce order not realizing "DA" was his assistants initials, not his title. The sheer stupidity!"
    7:52 PM · Nov 15, 2017



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    Alabama, I hope you send Roy Moore to the US Senate on December 12.
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    Exactly, and they were not very smart forgers...
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    Terrible forgers. They're also not very good story tellers either. They stumble over themselves and trip themselves up. It's sad really to see them goaded into this by the Washington Post and then led onto TV by Gloria Allred to embarrass themselves this way.

    As a woman, I find it disgusting for other women, reporters for the Washington Post, and Gloria Allred, believing that they can exploit women to defeat a political candidate for public office. It's truly repugnant. I didn't like it when it was done against Bill Clinton, I didn't like it when it was done against Donald Trump, or when they did it recently against G H W Bush, and I'm really really sick of it.

    And based on what we're hearing about sexual harassment in the US Senate today, the least of their worries is what Roy Moore did or didn't do 40 years ago. They best turn their attention on their fellow "ethical and moral" padres in the US Senate who have cost taxpayers $15 million already in hush money for sexual misconduct claims against members of our "ethical and moral" Senate and House.

    In short, hypocrites all.

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