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    Quote Originally Posted by kniggit
    You kind of made my point by saying you will supply people to do the job instead of saying that you would do it yourself. Very few American brick masons left in this part of the country and thus you can't supply the labor for the job and still compete at the prevailing price at this time, i know i have to compete with it on a daily basis.

    I dont believe we are speaking of fair market we are talking about the security of our boarder. Illeagles arent in free market when it come to building the fence.
    I do work myself.
    I’m very interested in what you competition is doing, but not what illegal Immigrants are doing because at this point they are not in the equation.

    You make the statement of I could not compete
    when i Gods green earth did Any American Need to compete with a Illegal Immigrent to build up Our security its not a home we are talking about its a wall.

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    You make the statement of I could not compete
    when i Gods green earth did Any American Need to compete with a Illegal Immigrent
    I don't know when but its a reality today, and what really sucks is when they steal your equipment to do the job.
    Immigration reform should reflect a commitment to enforcement, not reward those who blatantly break the rules. - Rep Dan Boren D-Ok

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    I believe, if on the federal tax form, where they're asking for the $3
    to go to the election campaign, if that were replaced with "Do you, or your spouse wish to contribute $3 to the Border fence fund?", that they
    would have plenty of money in no time to build this thing.
    When did the definition of the word "ILLEGAL" change?
    I sent that in an E-mail to the IRS and FirstGov

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    Quote Originally Posted by kniggit
    You make the statement of I could not compete
    when i Gods green earth did Any American Need to compete with a Illegal Immigrent
    I don't know when but its a reality today, and what really sucks is when they steal your equipment to do the job.

    Kniggit why did you edit my statement ? It said compete to build the wall

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    Quote Originally Posted by kniggit
    You make the statement of I could not compete
    when i Gods green earth did Any American Need to compete with a Illegal Immigrent
    I don't know when but its a reality today, and what really sucks is when they steal your equipment to do the job.
    Can you show proff that illegals stole equpiment from the guys that are building our boarder fence

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    It's not so much having to compete with the illegals directly, its competing with the guys that exploit them.

    Are they building a fence now? I was talking in a general sense...ie we had a saw stolen a couple of years ago and saw it on another job a couple of weeks later. Everyone was arrested
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    Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 2:04 pm Post subject: A World of Walls

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    A world of walls



    By GWYNNE DYER
    Feb 18 2007


    If good fences make good neighbours, then the world is experiencing an unprecedented outbreak of neighbourliness.

    They used to wall cities. Now they wall whole countries.

    India is well on the way to being walled (except along the Himalayas, where the mountains do the job for free). The barrier along its 3,000-kilometre border with Pakistan is largely complete except in the parts of Kashmir, where the steep and broken terrain precludes the construction of the usual two-row, three-metre-high fence, with concertina wire and mines between the two fences. India is now building an even longer barrier to halt illegal immigration from Bangladesh.

    However, the fence Beijing is building along its own frontier with North Korea is a precautionary measure to stop a wave of refugees from entering China if the regime in Pyongyang collapses.

    The majority of the new walls springing up around the world are there to stop either terrorist attacks or illegal immigration, but sometimes they also serve as a unilateral way of defining a country’s desired borders.

    That is certainly true of the 2,700 kilometres of high sand or stone berms, backed by wire fences, mines, radar, troop bunkers and artillery bases, that seal off Western Sahara, annexed by Morocco in 1975, from the camps in Algeria from which many of the former inhabitants waged a guerilla war until the 1991 ceasefire.

    It is equally true of the wall Israel is building through the occupied West Bank. The country has long had heavily mined and monitored barrier fences along its external frontiers with Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Lebanon and around the Gaza Strip, but the wall in the West Bank does not follow the ceasefire line of 1967. Instead it penetrates deep into the Palestinian territories at a number of points to leave Jewish settlement blocs on the Israeli side, and it cuts off (Arab) East Jerusalem from the West Bank entirely.

    Pakistan is building a fence with Afghanistan, Uzbekistan has built a fence along its border with Tadzjikistan, the United Arab Emirates is erecting a barrier along its frontier with Oman, and Kuwait is upgrading its existing wall along the Iraqi frontier.

    But the most impressive barriers are certainly around Saudi Arabia.

    The Saudi kingdom has been quietly pursuing an $8.5-billion project to fence off the full length of its porous border with Yemen for some years, but the highest priority now is to get a high-tech barrier built along the 900-kilometre border with Iraq.

    “If and when Iraq fragments, there’s going to be a lot of people heading south,” said Nawaf Obaid, head of the Saudi National Security Assessment Project, “and that is when we have to be prepared.”

    The new wall will include buried movement sensors, ultraviolet night-vision cameras, face-recognition software and probably automated weapons in addition to the usual electrified fences, concertina wire, dry moats and mines.

    By comparison, the apparently endless debate about building a relatively low-tech fence along the U.S. border with Mexico to cut illegal immigration seems like an echo from an innocent past.

    The European Union’s feeble gestures towards curbing illegal immigration from Africa (fences around the Spanish enclaves of Ceuta and Melilla on the Moroccan coast, naval patrols off the Canary Islands) seem merely pathetic. But these are probably the last of the Good Old Days, at least in Europe.

    The reason the United States is incapable of controlling its Mexican border is political: Powerful domestic lobbies work to ensure a steady supply of “undocumented” Mexican workers who will accept very low wages because they are in the United States illegally. President George W. Bush has now been authorised by Congress to build a fence along the Mexican border, but he will stall as long as he can while experimenting with a so-called “virtual fence.”

    No equivalent lobby operates in the European Union, and it is only a matter of time before really serious barriers appear on the EU’s land frontiers, especially with Russia, Belarus, Ukraine and Turkey. The walls are going up all over the world, and most of them will not come down for a long time, if ever.
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    I think the whole world should be considered racists(NOT JUST GOOD OLD AMERICA LABELED AS SUCH)

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